How is it that we can discover natural laws? — Noah Te Stroete
Is that not a good reason to maybe believe that we are in tune with nature? — Noah Te Stroete
And if we are in tune with nature, is it such a stretch to believe that rational minds had to necessarily arise in nature? — Noah Te Stroete
And I think that is reasoned faith. Your denial of these reasons is also reasoned faith. — Noah Te Stroete
It doesn’t seem very moral, as it seems like you are denying theists’ humanity and dignity.
But whatever floats your boat. I won’t take it personally, as you probably treat all theists that way. — Noah Te Stroete
one has yet to learn not to take me so seriously. I'm like this with everyone. Nothing against theists in particular. I'm don't hesitate to rip into atheists with bad arguments. — S
Belief that the universe has no purpose is also a leap of faith. — Noah Te Stroete
Reasoned faith is not an oxymoron. — Noah Te Stroete
It simply means that one has good reasons for believing in purpose/God. — Noah Te Stroete
That definition is not oxymoronic. — Noah Te Stroete
You say that we just happened to evolve rational minds. — Noah Te Stroete
I say that it had to necessarily happen. That is also faith. — Noah Te Stroete
Very well. Carry on wit yo bad self. ;) — Noah Te Stroete
What is your reasoned position that the universe has no purpose? — Noah Te Stroete
And if you don’t believe that rational minds evolved non-accidentally, then what is your position there? — Noah Te Stroete
Well, all I wanted to show was the thing that everyone knows. If one is to be held morally responsible then one must be capable of free agency. If someone has no choice but to act in a certain way then s/he can't be held morally responsible for his/her actions. I know you're fully aware of this fact and I get the feeling you're just pulling my chain. — TheMadFool
Anyway, a dietary recommendation, last I checked, advises minimum and maximum nutritional requirements to stay healthy. We must eat the minimum requirement if we're to live a healthy long life. I see no problem in eating as much meat as suggested by nutritionists BUT to eat more would be an option, something freely considered and, therefore, since not being necessary, we're morally responsible for the extra killings that must occur to satisfy our, then excessive, appetites.
That's all I'm saying. Why would anyone disagree with that? — TheMadFool
We are animals at the top of the food chain. — Noah Te Stroete
Well, I don’t believe in the mental-only/objective-mind-independent dichotomy. I believe they are intertwined inextricably. Hence, my belief that there is reason to the universe (it is rational) and the human mind is rational. The two cannot be extricated or separated. — Noah Te Stroete
I have a bachelor’s of science degree, and I scored in the 99.6 percentile of the general knowledge portion of the Wechsler IQ test which was almost entirely scientific questions. I’ve read books on string theory, cosmology, quantum mechanics, and relativity. And, yes, I also read the Bible. — Noah Te Stroete
Im not trying to be antagonistic, answering questions with more questions seems evasive. Especially when you do that instead of addressing the points I raised. Its not like im posting lengthy, obfuscating responses.
Now Im not sure how to respond, since trying to communicate towards understandung is what I am indeed attempting but you have found it offensive. — DingoJones
We're not just animals. We're thinking animals. If a tiger were ever able to feel the pain of the animals it kills and ever possessed of a human-level rational brain, it would definitely conclude killing is bad or immoral.
So, we're animals, yes, we can feel pain like all animals. But we can also think and this ability, unique in the animal kingdom, informs us that inflicting pain on living things is immoral. Together, our feelings and our rationality, we understand the difference between good and evil. — TheMadFool
It most certainly does involve faith because internally consistent mathematical theories cannot be tested and could just as well be complete fictions. You just prefer them because you don’t believe in a universal consciousness instead, which also has explanatory power that cannot be empirically tested. — Noah Te Stroete
Are we unique? — Noah Te Stroete
Providing examples of other species coming close to some extent and in some respects does nothing whatsoever to refute my claims about our uniqueness. — S
Well, I agree we are unique. Dolphins are also unique. — Noah Te Stroete
I’m talking about the genesis of the universe which I believe requires a consciousness that gives it order, what you might call a mathematical order. I believe morality comes from universal feelings from rational minds just as the universe is rational. — Noah Te Stroete
Concede what? Dolphins have language, they feel empathy, and their brain size to body size ratio is larger than humans. They even have sex for fun as we do. You could say they also have a moral code as they are also social animals who look out for one another. What’s wrong with the comparison? They eat what they evolved to eat, and we evolved to eat cooked meat. We should spend more time worrying about one another and the future of the human race, and not worry so much about chickens. — Noah Te Stroete
What don’t you understand about “mathematical unicorns”? And yes, my wife does love me. I doubt very much that anyone loves you, God bless your cynical heart. You want to get personal? — Noah Te Stroete
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