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↪iolo Interesting, as Wales as a whole voted to leave the EU. But lastnight Plied Cymru's Adam Price was speaking of an independent Wales in the EU. — Punshhh
One third of the population are English now - mainly geriatrics, — iolo
they voted Brexit because they are treated like shit and thought it meant they mattered, — iolo
I am a geriatric English remainer in Wales. But I think the blame for the school and pub closures has to be laid more at the doors of the Welsh emigrants than the English immigrants. Is there not a certain logic there? — unenlightened
This is sadly true of most of the brexit majority regions, and how the rich have convinced them that it is the bloody foreigner shitting on them and not the bloody elite, is truly wonderful to behold. But the incomer and foreigner almost invariably improve the economy. Not the second homers, but the long term residents support the local economy; even idlers like myself bring our pensions and savings into the area. — unenlightened
there were still plenty of people until their houses were all bought up. — iolo
I don't think most of those who move in contribute anything whatever, frankly — iolo
That is frankly racist. — unenlightened
our being replaced by rich foreigners. — iolo
I don't disagree, but do you realise there are millions of serfs in England to, just on this side of the border rather than that?Yes, and growing. But the centuries of serfdom take a hell of a time to get over.
Seriously, forget the self parody, this is a racist trope. — unenlightened
If you like to think in that peculiar way. — iolo
My wife is a very real mixed race culture person, Welsh and Caribbean. Her father's name, his slave name was 'Williams'. What is peculiar is to imagine that the dreadful abusive history of Britain stopped at the border and left Wales innocent. How very complacently racist you are again to think that nation has a reality that race does not. Imagine a Jew in the Death camps or a slave on the plantation saying 'races are imagined'! Now that would be peculiar. But coming from you as represented in what you — unenlightened
You speak a language or you don't: — iolo
I don't quite see how geographical concepts can be innocent or guilty of anything, — iolo
I rather gather that you were too superior to learn the language of the country you were settling in: you certainly seem to be getting extremely worked up about imagined things, so I take that to be the reason! :) No need to be so sensitive: our struggle to survive had hardly got going back then! — iolo
I would notice whether your wife spoke the language of her country. — iolo
Government documents submitted to Scotland’s highest civil court today state that the prime minister will seek a Brexit extension from the EU if no withdrawal deal is reached by 19 October.
Boris Johnson said he would rather be “dead in a ditch” than seek a further delay, and the revelation in court appears to be in direct contradiction of that statement and throws the question of whether the UK will leave the bloc on 31 October into fresh doubt.' — Amity
Half a million people in Wales can speak Welsh; that's around 19% of the population.
Why should you be bothered about 81% of the population of the country you claim as your own? No reason at all, let them eat cake. Now I really am done. — unenlightened
↪iolo Yes I agree about the airbrushing of history, my family comes from Huddersfield by the way, so Yorkshire a region with its own traditions and history. Going back to identity though, we don't have an equivalent to the Eisteddfod, and we can't shut the knobs out, because they come from England (actually I suspect France with William the conqueror). So we're stuck with them. — Punshhh
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↪iolo Culture isn't monolithic and certainly not defined by language alone. Western culture overarches several languages. At the same time the culture in my city is distinct from other areas in the Netherlands, which is still Dutch culture. And just look at the history of the development of the guitar (or most any other instrument for that matter) that cultural differences are fluid. Cultures exchange, change, copy and merge over time.
Given how culture has comes about, resistance to cultural change is misplaced. — Benkei
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