It would seem to be that you're trying to decide if something is immoral, and you're looking at the thing itself to tell you. But morality/immorality exists prior to the thing questioned. — tim wood
No, we have not. Not in any way whatsoever. — tim wood
Then elucidate how have you arrived at your conclusion, because we can run around in circles saying that drugs are bad because they are illegal, and they are illegal because they are bad.
Forgive me if I have construed a straw man out of your position; but, you haven't been entirely forthcoming in presenting your reasoning. — Wallows
No. I haven't the strength or time. — tim wood
And you and others are not really interested - that from the tenor and progress of the thread. — tim wood
You're not really making sense. Its not immoral to break a law that isn't moral and in fact morality sometimes demands you break the law. — DingoJones
That's because you haven't understood the tension in this thread — tim wood
Are all illegal acts immoral? Yes. — tim wood
How presumptuous. I'm going to assume you think I've been trolling you or some other nonsense, when in fact I'm quite interested in how you are deriving your conclusions. Or as a teacher would say, "Show your work." Maybe I would be able to learn something from you. — Wallows
You are aware that most of us in this thread strongly disagree with that? (well I do anyway, I think others agree if I am reading their posts correctly) — ZhouBoTong
So mocking me is essentially mocking yourself as not merely ignorant - we're all ignorant - but stupid in that you cannot or will not recognize kinds of sense and arguments that run back as far as writing, made by people whom ignorant people sometimes find fashionable to dismiss because, apparently, they think it makes them look smart. Don't be one of those people. — tim wood
Make your case! — tim wood
In this thread you have ignored reference to Plato and dismissed Kant. I submit you have a research problem. I point you toward Plato's Crito and Phaedrus. Kant's Groundworks for a Metapysics of Morals. Thoreau, pretty much anything. MLK Letter from Birmingham Jail. Gandhi. But morality is in almost all philosophy. Try looking for it.Give me some reading material, — Wallows
I point you toward Plato's Crito and Phaedrus. Kant's Groundworks for a Metapysics of Morals. — tim wood
Thoreau — tim wood
Morality and Law are not the same thing. — DingoJones
Another thing to consider is a moral that you hold can be made illegal, and then you are suddenly immoral regardless of the merits of your original moral position. — DingoJones
Failing to recognise the distinction is non-sensical, it renders morality meaningless, arbitrary. A lawmaker could make anything moral or immoral, no matter its merit, no matter if the lawmaker was crazy, or evil. It makes no sense. — DingoJones
A disgusting way to express whatever you're expressing. — tim wood
So, let me try and be more explicit. What's your issue here as you seem to have taken a combative tone? Returning to the OP, and what I have said, marijuana is legal in my state yet illegal on a federal level. You seem to have turned a blind eye on this fact, which puzzles me. — Wallows
If the law and morality are distinct, then its only immoral to break a law that is moral. Thus when you ask if it is immoral to do illegal drugs what you are really asking is whether or not it is immoral to do drugs. — DingoJones
I don't know if it's been pointed out yet, but if illegality equates to immorality, the the state is the ultimate authority when it comes to determining good and evil. Fascism, to me, is a very dangerous prospect. — Merkwurdichliebe
the point I've been pushing up a cliff in this thread, is that breaking the law is immoral; — tim wood
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