Is that what an atheist rests his belief on? The Universe exists just because the Universe exists? If that’s true, I’m sure as hell not sending him any get-well-soon cards, that’s for sure.
Can you....do you have the capacity.....to explain the concept “beyond time”, such that anyone considering the phrase as the result of magical thinking, would have to change his mind? — Mww
And your concept of the universe is question-begging: By defining it as “everything” you assume there is nothing beyond it, and therefore no God, which is precisely the issue under discussion. — AJJ
Because if it was a scientific fact, it would then defeat my conclusion, if it was scientific fact that God is not, my theism is unreasonable. But now your challenge to P2 is, it doesn't matter? Or that it is not true?
Can I get a direct answer to a direct question please, is the new P2 true? The existence or non existence of God is not a scientific fact.
Direct answers make this go much faster. — Rank Amateur
Your definition requires that your conclusion - that there is nothing beyond the universe - is true. — AJJ
Ok I will do some work, let's do this one at a time. Please answer directly, do you agree or not, and if not why. — Rank Amateur
Do you understand the difference between a conclusion and a stipulation about how I'm using a term? — Terrapin Station
The arguments for theism demonstrate the existence of an entity beyond the universe; that is what you’re up against when you argue in opposition to theism. — AJJ
p3. There are arguments – based on reason – that God does not exist
Agree? — Rank Amateur
In my comment about how I use the word "universe," I'm not arguing anything, for or against. Do you understand this? — Terrapin Station
You are, implicitly. Do you understand this? — AJJ
I don't agree with that, no. How am I implicitly arguing something? — Terrapin Station
Using that way in the context of an argument about the existence of God makes it question-begging; it assumes that there is nothing beyond the universe, the issue under discussion. — AJJ
It just can't be this difficult to communicate something so simple. — Terrapin Station
I'm not saying anything at all (in these comments about how I use the term "universe") about what does or doesn't exist, what can or can't exist. I'm simply making a declaration that whatever exists, I'm going to call it "part of the universe." — Terrapin Station
No, it’s yours. Because your definition is question-begging and mine is not. — AJJ
Incorrect. I'm telling you how I use the word. I use the word in the way that it's commonly understood. And I'm pointing out that, going by this meaning, your statement is a contradiction in terms. — S
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