If you were to ask me if moral stances have anything to do with what's "proper," I'd say "No." — Terrapin Station
But that's not what I asked — Hanover
If you can't offer a reasonable response to the question of why your position allows enforcement of contractual speech acts, despite your claim that no speech can be regulated, then just say so. — Hanover
I already answered this. Re contracts, it's not any sort of speech restriction. It's not stopping anyone from saying anything they want to say. It's just that I'd enforce contracts--if you promise A in exchange for B and do not deliver, there would be legal repercussions. — Terrapin Station
We've had a ton of evidence of it lately with all of the sexual assault/rape claims that have no evidence other than a claim, but where accusers are believed by virtue of making an accusation, and where people have commented that if the claims weren't true, the accusers would be in hot water themselves legally. — Terrapin Station
Just to point out, this is ending up discriminating against people for speaking at all about differences in ethnicity, gender, or culture. There is no clear line what constitutes criticism and what not. — ernestm
No, it's not. You are taking one part of my text out of context and doesn't read into the nuances of the entirety of it. This is usually the way these discussions go; the nuances get thrown out the window to make a point instead of actually understanding the argument someone said before answering. — Christoffer
The prohibition isn't against speech. It's against promising something and not delivering it. — Terrapin Station
I don't believe any form of speech should be censored, no matter how idiotic, ignorant, hateful or violent. One is either are a proponent of free speech or of censorship and I choose the former. Let the revolutionaries preach the revolution. Let the KKK preach their racism. Let conspiracy theorists talk about how the government is brainwashing you. I don't see why that should bother me, unless they commit violent actions. At that point the authorities should swoop in and enforce the law. — Tzeentch
Defamatory speech aimed at a particular person, as in me destroying your reputation and causing you to lose your job... — Hanover
Perhaps if that becomes standard practice, people will eventually stop believing everything they hear (which is an epidemic in my society). It is no different from high school gossip, but with higher stakes. — Tzeentch
Am I correct that your gripe is with the word "everything" here? — Tzeentch
Promising something isn't speech? What is it, a rabbit? — Hanover
It is actually impossible to stop discrimination for that reason. — ernestm
Does anyone know of a philosophy board where it's not like talking to "educated morons"/"intelligent retards," regardless of whether people are really like that or whether they just like act like it because they think it's amusing or they're bored or whatever? I'd like to be able to talk about philosophy with people who don't have problems understanding kindergarten-level material. If you know of a board that's like what I'm looking for, then not only would you help me, but you could be rid of someone who thinks that almost everyone here (except for the person who points me to the board in question, of course ;-) ) is essentially a moron. — Terrapin Station
So to break down the building blocks of harmful speech that should be restricted.
1. It's not about hurting one or more peoples feelings.
2. It's about creating a negative idea about a group of people.
3. It divides people into categories that through repetition may build hate/dislike between groups.
4. It is not based on factual sources that work as a foundation for reasonable criticism of a group. — Christoffer
1. It's not about hurting one or more peoples feelings.
2. It's about creating a negative idea about a group of people.
3. It divides people into categories that through repetition may build hate/dislike between groups.
4. It is not based on factual sources that work as a foundation for reasonable criticism of a group. — Christoffer
It's a good sentiment. But it still doesnt work. I used to live in a black neighborhood, and anything that I said would be interpreted as hateful. Anything at all. I couldnt even say hello without black people claiming I was trying to start a fight. — ernestm
One or more persons' feelings could be hurt by anything conceivable. Anything you might say, anything you might wear, any way you might look at them, etc. — Terrapin Station
Who gets to decide what's negative or not and why do they get to decide? — Terrapin Station
Dividing people into categories like "Folks who say prohibited things"? — Terrapin Station
Who gets to decide what's factual and reasonable and why do they get to decide? — Terrapin Station
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