Just because there are other ways of communicating meaning in language does not negate this view of propositions. — MindForged
Propositional truth is most certainly propositional in content. Denying that much is rather silly. — creativesoul
The principle of inductive reasoning is linguistic, as are each and every "test of truth"... — creativesoul
Saying "this proposition is true" is saying that it has the right relation to whatever one takes to be the "truthmaker" ( facts/states of affairs if correspondence theory, other propositions if coherence, etc.) — Terrapin Station
If I see a syllogism manufactured with a false major premise, I have a tendency to disregard the conclusion. Sorry.....just the way Mama tol’ me. — Mww
I gave examples of necessary truths, the certainty of which I know without ever saying a word, or even thinking any. — Mww
This presupposes that there are such things as "necessary truths" that evidently exist independently of language. Otherwise, it would make no sense to say that a statement can 'represent' such a thing.
:yikes:
I'm a bit puzzled here...
What exactly do these necessary truths consist in/of if not statements/propositions? — creativesoul
The principle of inductive reasoning is linguistic, as are each and every "test of truth"...
— creativesoul
How is that not a logical fiction? — Mww
If you think principles are linguistic...
how do you do arithmetic in your head? — Mww
How can logical absolutes be possible? Just because we don’t consciously invoke a principle in order to arrive at a logical, consistent truth, we aren’t using one? It only becomes a principle after having been written down? We don’t operate by deducing our primary principles then see if our observations conform to them, which is blatantly circular and potentially self-contradictory; we reason from observation, then deduce the principles under which our reasoning should conform in order to be trusted as observation demands. — Mww
We don’t operate by deducing our primary principles then see if our observations conform to them, which is blatantly circular and potentially self-contradictory — Mww
This contextMama's advice, if taken to heart, may cause one to disregard true conclusions... lucky, invalid, but true none-the-less... — creativesoul
It only becomes a principle after having been written down? — Mww
We don’t operate by deducing our primary principles then see if our observations conform to them, which is blatantly circular and potentially self-contradictory; we reason from observation, then deduce the principles under which our reasoning should conform in order to be trusted as observation demands. — Mww
Anyone care to discuss why and/or how these are logical fictions, or propose another? — creativesoul
Some call true propositions/statements "truths". — creativesoul
Different perspectives are always good, so.....thanks.
“...preoccupation with questions about methods tends to distract us from prosecuting the methods themselves. We run as a rule, worse, not better, if we think a lot about our feet....”
(Ryle, 1929, in Hutchinson 1971) — Mww
It only becomes a principle after having been written down?
— Mww
Well... yup. Exactly. It becomes a principle when we name it such. — creativesoul
Where there is no language, there can be no thought/belief. — creativesoul
Where there is no language there can be no truth. — creativesoul
Where there is no language there can be no meaning. — creativesoul
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