Well, thanks for your elaboration of your understanding of cause and effect. I do think adding those factors in, most of them, kind of even complicates it more. The butterfly effect is essentially just a larger explanation for causal occurrences. Definitely complicates — Josh Alfred
Definitely complicates. — Josh Alfred
So is there a way to just always simplify one's cognition of causal reality? — Josh Alfred
So is there a way to just always simplify one's cognition of causal reality? — Josh Alfred
Causation is a logical phenomena that encompasses physical and hence biological phenomena, which is what happens and that’s all very good. — unforeseen
A switch is either off or on, so the word 'off' implies the concept of 'on', but off and on are two different states, so they do need two different words, but if cause is synonymous with effect, maybe they really represent the same concept...not sure what word could be used..'event'? A single thing. — wax
but if 'cause' happens at time1, and 'effect' happens at time2, what is happening between those times?
if time1=time2 then how can you say which came first and so how can it represent an arrow of time? — wax
Other events are happening in between time 1 and time 2 (thoughts included). You perceive a bunch of sensory information, and your brain structures this by grouping these into "things" and "events". The events are then ordered according to cause-effect relationships, and thus seem to follow another in time. — Echarmion
but why wouldn't cause and effect happen at the same time?
Why would there be any kind of delay in the process? — wax
If there was not a delay, we'd have a situation reminiscent of Zeno's paradoxes. Every event could be infinitely divided into smaller and smaller constituent events, — Echarmion
that argument seems contradictory..
how could an event that had no time dimension be divided up into time segments? — wax
If events had no time dimension, there would be no time and no change. That was the point of the thought experiment. Since that is not how we see the world, events must have a time dimension. — Echarmion
this seems a bit like circular logic to me, ie:
the arrow of time is based upon the assumption that cause coming before effect, ie a non-zero time delay.
if cause and effect is an event with no time-dimension, then our definition of time is wrong; but the argument isn't presented as the definition of time being wrong, it is presented as there would be no time at all, and no change. — wax
I can see why it would seem circular. But I am not trying to make an argument about the objective reality of time or it's attributes. I am positing that time, as a human experience, is structured by our human concept of cause and effect.
As such, the way I exit the circle is by pointing out that humans do actually experience time. We experience this time as a sequence of events, and the proper order of the events is defined by cause and effect.
It follows that within the concept of cause and effect, events have a temporal extension and are discrete. Whether this perception has anything at all to do with objective reality is a different question. — Echarmion
So is there a way to just always simplify one's cognition of causal reality? — Josh Alfred
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