Ilya B Shambat         
         
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Terrapin Station         
         According to the empiricist definition of reality, something is real if it can be proven. — Ilya B Shambat
Another bit of nonsense that I have heard is that truth is relative. — Ilya B Shambat
Janus         
         We don't use "fact" as a name for a "true statement.") — Terrapin Station
SophistiCat         
         This parses with the quantum mechanics, in which observing the phenomenon changes it - and we, through our actions, impact the world. We most certainly have influence on reality. Once again, both the man-made and non-made reality is real. What is reality? Reality is what is. We can then – measure it, study it, observe it, and of course contribute to it as well. — Ilya B Shambat
Terrapin Station         
         We do in fact. The encyclopedia is widely considered to be a compendium of facts, that is of true statements. So, 'fact' is an equivocal term which can refer to either true statements (semantic facts) or states of affairs (ostensive facts). — Janus
Janus         
         
Terrapin Station         
         So you believe the different senses of 'fact' have never been acknowledged by any analytic philosophers, — Janus
Janus         
         
Terrapin Station         
         Well, please cite or quote the text, then. — Janus
Janus         
         I'd have to search for it, and I'm not about to reread the whole book just to give you a citation for whatever ridiculous reason you'd be asking for one. — Terrapin Station
Again, this is something that only happens as a mental phenomenon. — Terrapin Station
Terrapin Station         
         If you can't at least paraphrase it from memory then your claim is completely empty. Why is it ridiculous to ask for textual support for a reference that you have introduced? — Janus
The rest of your explanation doesn't tell me anything that isn't pretty much common knowledge. — Janus
Is this a fact or is it merely your subjective opinion? — Janus
Janus         
         Fact. It's what the world is like ontologically. — Terrapin Station
Nothing hinges on whether you believe it. — Terrapin Station
Terrapin Station         
         So, truth is not merely subjective or relative, then.. — Janus
Terrapin Station         
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