1. Creating anything infinity large is impossible; not enough time / would never finish — Devans99
2. Creating anything infinity small is impossible; no matter how small it is made, it could still be smaller — Devans99
3. Only in our minds can things continue ‘forever’; in reality this would be akin to magic — Devans99
The existence of a set of all sets is only a contradiction if the ground of all being, that is, the set of all sets in nature as opposed to in the imagination, does not reside in a paradox or a contradiction. if the set of all sets in nature has ontological value, and both contains itself and does not contain itself at the same time and in the same respect, there is no contradiction. it just means that the ground of being is paradoxical, which is the case. to say that there is no first set is even more absurd than saying that there is, for to say that there is no first set is to say that all being has its origin in absolute non-existence, or the absence of essnce altogether, or rather, the non-potential for existence to be, yet existence is, so absolute non-existence cannot be, meaning that existence must be contained within that which has an essence, and that which has an essence is necessarily a set. the set of all sets must exist. — TheGreatArcanum
agreed, there is no actualized infinite. meaning that there is no set of all sets, or there is. — TheGreatArcanum
I don't think thats topologically possible — Devans99
meditate on it a little more; what both exists, yet isn’t tangible, and both contains itself and does not contain itself simultaneously? — TheGreatArcanum
No idea — Devans99
that’s if you can prove that something cannot exist eternally, but to do that, you would have to prove that existence came into being out of non-existence, or rather, the non-potential for existence to be. — TheGreatArcanum
does the set of all sets have an essence and therefore ontological value, or does it exist only in our imaginations? — TheGreatArcanum
Essence is simply a way of thinking about things--it's what an individual considers necessary features to apply a concept term as they've formulated the concept. — Terrapin Station
does the set of all sets have an essence and therefore ontological value, or does it exist only in our imaginations? — TheGreatArcanum
No. Iron is an element. One iron atom is iron. That's why it's called an element. Lots of things are not elements, like water. Water cannot exist at a level less than a molecule of water, a particular binding of hydrogen and oxygen. Or did you mean something else?An iron atom is not iron, — Christoffer
No. Iron is an element. One iron atom is iron. That's why it's called an element. Lots of things are not elements, like water. Water cannot exist at a level less than a molecule of water, a particular binding of hydrogen and oxygen. Or did you mean something else? — tim wood
One water molecule isn't water, — Christoffer
Essence is simply a way of thinking about things--it's what an individual considers necessary features to apply a concept term as they've formulated the concept. — Terrapin Station
If it exists in the imagination does it exist or does it not exist? Start with two: does two exist? And do ideas have no essence and no ontological value? — tim wood
essence is the aspect of a thing which remains unchanging so long as it exists, — TheGreatArcanum
No such thing. — Terrapin Station
here’s an experiment for you: go grab any object from the room you’re in and hold it in your hand, look at it, and then ask yourself, “what is this object?” a few seconds later, ask yourself the same question, and then again and again..repeat this experiment ten times; and if your answer doesn’t change, then you’ve just disproven yourself, — TheGreatArcanum
The answer changes even though I say the so-called "same thing," because nothing is literally identical through time. The idea of something being the same through time is an abstraction--and abstraction that itself is different at different times.
What we answer--say that it's a bottle or whatever, is an abstraction that we've created. The object fits the concept we've constructed. Essences are the necessary aspects of our conception, what we require to call some x "a bottle" (or whatever the concept at hand).
I'm a nominalist, by the way. — Terrapin Station
the answer doesn’t change. — TheGreatArcanum
as nothing is identical through time. — Terrapin Station
how about the concept ‘nothing is identical through time’? does that change over time? — TheGreatArcanum
It's not as if this is hard to figure out. If nothing is identical through time, then "Nothing is identical through time" isn't identical through time.
You're conflating "not identical" and "isn't the case/isn't true."
Not at all the same idea. — Terrapin Station
either the phrase ‘nothing is identical over time’ is identical to itself from one moment to the next, or it is not. if it isn’t identical to itself over time, well then what does it become? — TheGreatArcanum
No. One water molecule is exactly water. — tim wood
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