POLON means pillar; figure out the rest. :victory:I don't know. Tell me please. — Merkwurdichliebe
That's what the theory of evolution is, right?That is hard to swallow. But, I cannot help but think that everything is the result of a mutagen. I love whacky suggestions — Merkwurdichliebe
That's what the theory of evolution is, right?
That some random fish mutated in to humans.
And then, enters the fool, voicing out - that it was due to the mutagen they ate, as described in the Bible. — Shamshir
you cannot discount his historic contribution to the philosophic tradition. — Merkwurdichliebe
So, you'd be right that in practice the Übermensch is a God-King, rather than an Anarchist.
But it's ironic, because there's no difference - as neither is above the law,even if it's just because they constitute it. — Shamshir
What's missing here is that that for Nietzsche the transvaluation of all values only begins as a rejection of the conventions that one received from one's cultural heritage. But it should lead to a total revaluation that ends not with the embrace of an alterantive set of values but with the rejection of the idea that there is a right or superior value system (Napoleon and Caesar can be argued to reject one set of values in favor of their preferred alternative). Will to Power expresses the notion that life in its essence is value positing for its own sake. Each value system is on the way to its own destruction the minute it is affirmed,as part of an endless cycle of creation and destruction. Attempting to hold onto any normative way of being is a weakness for Nietzsche.I'd argue they were not merely anchored to their communities as a sort of passive receiver, but rather they transformed them into something else, based on their personal value systems. And I think one cannot really transform societal values if one is really 'bound by a creed'.
The difference in those transformation is then I think, for Nietzsche, that the one comes from weakness, idealism and a denial of the world, and the other from strength, mastery and an intimate knowledge of that world. — ChatteringMonkey
Will to Power expresses the notion that life in its essence is value positing for its own sake. Each value system is on the way to its own destruction the minute it is affirmed,as part of an endless cycle of creation and destruction. — Joshs
As for Nietzsche and his Übermensch, I see it as the equivalent to a teenager's rebellion against authority, rather than a surpassing of authority — Shamshir
If there has ever been an embodiment of will to power in political office, it is Trump — ernestm
Z. had no value system of his own. He just acted intuitively. — ernestm
Z. had no value system of his own. He just acted intuitively.
— ernestm
Everyone operates on the basis of a frame of reference, perspective, point of view. Nietzsche's Overman doesn't do away with perspective-taking and value positing, only suprasensory values. — Joshs
It's not a value SYSTEM. He has ideas of good and bad, but there is no SYSTEM of them. It's just intuitive reaction. — ernestm
It's a pragmatic sort of structuration, designed to further our goals of life-enhancement. — Joshs
Of all that is written, I love only what a person hath written with his blood. Write with blood, and thou wilt find that blood is spirit. It is no easy task to understand unfamiliar blood; I hate the reading idlers. He who knoweth the reader, doeth nothing more for the reader. Another century of readers—and spirit itself will stink. Every one being allowed to learn to read, ruineth in the long run not only writing but also thinking. Once spirit was God, then it became man, and now it even becometh populace. He that writeth in blood and proverbs doth not want to be read, but learnt by heart. (Thus Spoke Zarathustra, "Reading and Writing")[emphasis added
SUPPOSING that Truth is a woman - what then?
all philosophers, in so far as they have been dogmatists, have failed to understand women -
that the terrible seriousness and clumsy importunity with which they have usually paid their addresses to Truth, have been unskilled and unseemly methods for winning a woman? Certainly she has never allowed herself to be won ...
Will to Power is not a conscious drive either. It's all instinctive. Like an animal responding to stimuli, the external observer could perhaps deduce rules, but there is no reason or cognition in the process for the overmind. — ernestm
But it should lead to a total revaluation that ends not with the embrace of an alterantive set of values but with the rejection of the idea that there is a right or superior value system (Napoleon and Caesar can be argued to reject one set of values in favor of their preferred alternative). — Joshs
Everyone operates on the basis of a frame of reference, perspective, point of view. Nietzsche's Overman doesn't do away with perspective-taking and value positing, only suprrasensory values. — Joshs
As to: Can one change values if bound by a creed? Indeed, one can.
Like you said, one can and I'd even add must impose a creed to change values.
Like how a stairway is the same repeated action and object - but it entails change. — Shamshir
So I don't see how Napoleon or Ceasar positing their own would necessarily be contrary to the idea of the overman. — ChatteringMonkey
In practice, the thing which most symbolises being unbound, would be going with the flow - which entails dissolution.
But I think we may both agree, Nietzsche does not seek dissolution - rather domination; may we? — Shamshir
The 'will to power' term finds its roots with The Book of Abramelin - where the practitioner is instructed to abate society and then proclaim dominance over all vices (unclean spirits) to assume contact with his higher/true self.Domination is maybe a bit of a loaded term, but the will to power yes... and then will to power not necessarily as 'worldy power', although it can entail that, but primary as the an overarching drive that dominates and structures other instincts. — ChatteringMonkey
Is what the story of Solomon entails.As for Nietzsche and his Übermensch, I see it as the equivalent to a teenager's rebellion against authority — Shamshir
The Dionysian tradition is living in unison with nature, which is what the Anarchist craves.In a lot of instances Nietzsche talks about 'anarchy in the instinct' as the cause for the turn to reason as a tyrant (to subdue that anarchy), as in the case of Ancient Greece and Socrates... which only makes things worse in some ways. The point being here, that he clearly doesn't believe that no structure at all is the way to go, eventhough said structure might seem to be contrary to the dionysian and the concept of the overman. — ChatteringMonkey
Nietzsche had a mental breakdown upon seeing a horse being beaten. — Wittgenstein
Nevertheless the ideas of Nietzsche can be twisted and turn into nazi propaganda, so his ideas were way more powerful than Russell's. He was also an atheist who did not ramble on about disproving God all the time but also discussed the problems which will rise if society forgets God.Russell was too cocky to see any social problems,he was more on the autistic side when it came to philosophy. — Wittgenstein
I found it extremely useful to read Walter Kaufman's seminal assessment of Nietzsche. — Arne
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