but the creative process can also arise from an inherent drive to increase awareness, interconnectedness and overall capacity/achievement. — Possibility
All value systems are subjectively imposed except for the potentially infinite diversity of the unfolding universe - and it is here that the creative process operates. That your work demonstrates a different perspective of any aspect of the universe is creative, and therefore has value in that it forms part of the creative process - li — Possibility
IME, design involves much more than rearrangement of existing building blocks. Often (usually), the building blocks themselves must be designed and implemented before they can be used in the main project. — Pattern-chaser
What are you building the building blocks out of? — Terrapin Station
Smaller blocks. Like bones are built from cells, I suppose. — Pattern-chaser
Sure. Aren't you rearranging those, then? — Terrapin Station
For me, creativity is not about use-value, but about sharing our subjective view of the universe in a form that pursues at least one of three aims: increased awareness, increased interconnectedness or increased overall achievement/capacity. These aims, I believe, are instinctive at the deepest level of existence, but it is in recognising my uniquely subjective view as valuable in itself to the unfolding universe that enables me to be creative.
Putting creative (uniquely personal) work into something for the benefit of others is precisely what drives creativity in the first place. It is a selfless act at its core. Monetization or any system of value is counterproductive to creativity - the moment a value system begins to influence creative labours, the original impetus is obscured and the creative animal is lured from creativity towards productivity. — Possibility
Well there's the pure act of creativity itself and then there's sub-category of creative industry. Being involved in industry presupposes there's a reason to produce already determined. But being involved in any type of creativity doesn't have to involve producing for the work-return benefits of an industry, which would account for the big difference in these two types. Suppose you were independent, and had decided to make a software app or a painting. What are the reasons why you would do this, pure love of one's neighbour, G-d, or on the other side vanity or glory maybe? I presume the reasons would be similar or comparable in nature despite ending in very different results. — kudos
The question is would it be better if there was no 'work' to the process, or not. And the creator was just purely enjoying his/her self? It it my opinion that the process of having that enjoyment is in part derived from the social value of the act itself. — kudos
Creative work is ultimately constrained in some way, whether by the materials/parts available or by the discourse or value systems in which they are often required to operate. The creative animal is acutely aware of these constraints and strives to explore just beyond them, to challenge them in the creative process.
The creative process, in my view, is an open-ended interaction with these constraints of subjective experience. This is how we discover new ways of seeing the world, new ways to relate to the world and relate elements of the world to each other, and new capacities or ways to achieve. — Possibility
but my own (former) vocation was very much involved in production, as an end result. It's easy to miss the creativity in firmware design, or car/bridge/etc design. — Pattern-chaser
‘... a different perspective of any aspect of the universe.’ What exactly does that mean in terms of being creative?
What you’re saying is that a different perspective of the universe forms part of the creative process because what you’re doing is creative. That doesn’t explain anything. It’s an endless loop. — Brett
I was trying to think of how what you’ve said relates to my own thoughts so far, because it threw me for a bit, that is the creative act in a business orientated environment, and it seems to me that that’s the only place creativity can take place today because there is purpose, a demand, and result, as has always been required in the creative act (according to my thoughts). — Brett
Sure, but a different perspective of the universe? — Brett
Designing a car involves identifying some existing components/assemblies and creating others. They aren't really arranged, because they don't fit together like Lego. They aren't re-arranged because they haven't been arranged before, and because there's only one place they fit. The steering wheel can't be rearranged onto an axle.... :wink: — Pattern-chaser
What I mean by "rearranging" is that with the car, for example, you're taking some metal and plastic and rubber and electronics, etc. that already exist and you're putting them into different relationships with each other to make something different. — Terrapin Station
What I mean by "rearranging" is that with the car, for example, you're taking some metal and plastic and rubber and electronics, etc. that already exist and you're putting them into different relationships with each other to make something different.
I don't know enough about software to describe it in these terms, but that's all we're doing when we create musical things, and visual art things and cars and so on. — Terrapin Station
In your view then, would art purely for other's sake be a bastardization from it's true aims unless it served oneself in some way? — kudos
When you create something, you're simply taking pre-existing materials and putting them into some different relationship, one step at a time. That's all there is to it, really. — Terrapin Station
This is what creativity is. It's what we're actually doing when we're doing creative things. — Terrapin Station
If the goal is to create a catalogue of all we know about creativity... — kudos
Again, this is not at all a judgment about anything. I don't know how I can stress that to successfully get it across. — Terrapin Station
One thing we know about creativity is that it involves the creation of something that is somehow, in some way, new and different.
No it isn't. Everything you say is true, but it doesn't describe what creative people do. I.e. it doesn't describe the part of what they do that is creative. — Pattern-chaser
That your work demonstrates a different perspective of any aspect of the universe is creative, and therefore has value in that it forms part of the creative process
— Possibility
This is the same subjectivity that the post on art and elitism got bogged down in.
‘... a different perspective of any aspect of the universe.’ What exactly does that mean in terms of being creative?
What you’re saying is that a different perspective of the universe forms part of the creative process because what you’re doing is creative. That doesn’t explain anything. It’s an endless loop. — Brett
Sure, but a different perspective of the universe? — Brett
One thing we know about creativity is that it involves the creation of something that is somehow, in some way, new and different. To describe creativity in a way that emphasises its non-creative aspects, and doesn't even mention creation, is very odd to me. Why deny (by omission) the central attribute of creativity? — Pattern-chaser
I’ve personally worked in a range of creative industries, from fine arts to website design, from advertising and marketing to playwriting and directing. — Possibility
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