• Le Vautre
    15
    I've seen today one of the masterpieces of the italian moviemaker Pasolini, namely, Il vangelo secondo Matteo (1964).

    It's obviously very well done, given the means of that time, and it's was very well commented, so I'll ignore the doodads. But, even if it's very well done, it's still very strange when I compare it to Hitchcock who realized movies at the same year (Marnie, for example, was realized in 1964). Hitchcock had a strong american style, with a camera that films stably, with nice sequence shots, without “sentimentality” and with technical prowesses as we know it. On the other hand, with Pasolini as I see it with that movie, there's a very strong “sentimentality” (misery ?) – even if it's probably not voluntary but the result of the production framework: they are Italians, and the film was shot in southern Italy (one should notice the similarity of the South-Italians landscapes and the South-Italians ethnicity with the Judaic atmosphere – it sticks well, even if the medieval sets are too obvious).

    Even if I'm sure that Pasolini was a really great moviemaker, the Gospel according to Matthew has a frankly miserable character, the actors being moreover true amateurs. But, do not be mistaken, it's not a criticism: I consider this movie almost perfect, even better than the Passion of Christ of Mel Gibson (2004), precisely because of the production's framework. You see, the actors who say their lines without passion, randomly in a scene, almost (I have the impression) poorly improvised, it's just magnificent compared with Gibson's movie which is, certainly, best at the scenary level, but nevertheless who's doing too much with his vastly superior means of production.

    Pasolini's film, it's almost in fact if it had been shot today by Belorussians, Belorussians without money but full of determination and good will and who, by the grace of the Holy Spirit, know the sacred luck of beginners. Really, I find that the staging, the actors and the way in which Jesus says the big maxims like that, randomly, like a Walmart cashier who forces her “good morning”, it reveals how much Jesus was insignificant (the Jesus of Pasolini) while exploding by contrast the Christ (that is to say, the result of Christ's preachings).

    That's Gibson's problem: his film is a Christian film while Pasolini's film is Christic. There is a big qualitative chasm. Gibson's film was impregnated by the Christian doctrine and was made with a Christian perspective, as if, deep down (and it's obviously the case), Christianity had already taken place. Well, no! For this to be doubly realistic, it is still necessary to do “as if”, namely “as if” it (Christianity) never happened. Doesn't this method give the viewer the pleasure to conceive the scope of the said maxims, and to pass from Jesus to Christ by himself?

    (Not to mention the music! The music is completely incongruous, it's great! Gibson, for his part, is totally in the Hans Zimmer's epicness style.)

    This is precisely all the difference between dynamism & statism, namely, the difference between the Real & Reality (cf. Lacan). The Real is what happens against the Reality, while the Reality happens all the time. Here (and this is not a Christian apologia), Jesus is the Real, that is to say what happens when Real (which is Really Real) destroy the Discourse, i. e. what you tell to yourself. It's because of that that Lacan announced the pathology of holiness for our times: the Judeo-Christian maxims will put before us our inability to see the Ungrundness of the Real. Doesn't that remind you Heidegger ? I will even say that it's girardian in some extent, because it'll bring a politic of non-politics! :lol: This is precisely what René Girard called martyr du martyr (even if heideggerian think it will put Being into Space!).

    And for the so-called nietzscheans:

    The saint alone stays mum; fat chance of getting anything out of him. That is really the most amazing thing in the whole business. Amazing for those who approach it without illusions: the saint is the refuse of jouissance. Sometimes, however, he takes a break, which he's no more content with than anyone else. He comes (jouit). He's no longer working at that point. It's not as if the smart alecks aren't lying in wait hoping to profit from it so as to pump themselves up again. But the saint doesn't give a damn about that, any more than he does about those who consider it to be his just deserts. Which is too sidesplitting. Because not giving a damn for distributive justice either is where he most often started from. The saint doesn't really see himself as righteous, which doesn't mean that he has no ethics. The only problem for others is that you can't see where it leads him. — Lacan
  • kudos
    403
    The Real is what happens against the Reality, while the Reality happens all the time. Here (and this is not a Christian apologia)

    The Real, Reality, and the Imaginary. It feels as though Lacan would have considered both Christ and Jesus to be a mixture of Imaginary and Real. But he's also a psychologist so that seems appropriate.
  • Le Vautre
    15
    Jesus and Christ are signifiants, so (automatically) they are a mixture of Imaginary and Real. Nevertheless when I say Jesus I speak about the singularity Jesus itself, and nothing else. I speak about the man. Even if it's very difficult to understand nowadays, because we are impregnated by Judeo-Christian culture, and therefore by a certain conception of Jesus and Christ. In fact, I rely on Nietzsche who makes the distinction (very well known) between Jesus (the most noble of the Jews – Human, all to human, §475) and Christ (paulinian deformation). The Muslims do the same distinction, which is funny when you know that Nietzsche loved islam (the supporters of Positive Christianity did also the same distinction, between the Aryan Jesus and the judaized paulinian Christ), and that it might explain how Jesus became new Christ, so to speak, by the means of the Judeo-Christian impulse (un)consciously. I don't buy the scams of jungian New Agers and so on, but I think that Jesus is really the archetype of the symbolism's ambiguity. So ambiguous in his teachings that even anthropological relativism isn't enough.
  • kudos
    403
    Loved Islam, that may be an overstatement?
  • Le Vautre
    15
    Look by yourself: Nietzsche, The Antichrist, §60. But Nietzsche loved epidermal reactions. If he likes France, it's against Germany, that is to say because of his hatred against German nationalism. If he likes Bizet, it's against Wagner, that is to say because of his hatred against antisemitism. Yet I don't think this is entirely lie and persona. Maybe it's because he was neurotic! :lol:
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