Does it make sense to assign a (universal, not personal) "meaning" to "life"? Or has the question always been a category error? — hypericin
The common dictionary merely contains the most popular definitions of words listed according to their popularity. Philosophy by popular consensus is a new one on me. The story goes that when Wittgenstein was asked the meaning of meaning he quipped, "What do you mean by what is the meaning of meaning?" — wuliheron
I would have hoped he would at least have said something witty about Ogden and Richards.
I wonder, though, what you intend to convey by referring to "merely" the "most popular definition of words." Is the most unpopular definition better, or greater, in some fashion? Is the popular definition the wrong definition? How unfortunate it is, then, that we have dictionaries. Where do I find the appropriate definition of words? — Ciceronianus the White
Perhaps he was referring to them when he said, "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent!" I always interpreted him myself as meaning that some jokes should never be repeated, while others should never be told the first time, but you never know.
Dictionaries are great references, but words only have demonstrable meaning in specific context. If it were otherwise we'd have some sort of clear system we could use to choose which specific definition works best for any particular thing we wish to communicate. Something Wittgenstein understood and which contradicts categorization. Hence, the reason many find his philosophy incomprehensible and claim he was a mystic, while others complain his philosophy is like reading an auto-repair manual. Personally, I think its just more dry, dry, dry academic humor and, on his deathbed, his last regret was not formulating it as a comedy. — wuliheron
Except in limited cases, I know of no other way to define them.Dictionaries don't define words, they circumlocute them... they defer, to different words. — Wosret
I thought he asked the person who was there to tell his friends he had a good life.
Dictionaries, though, or at least good ones, attempt to account for context by giving examples of use and alternate definitions. Unless we maintain that circumstances of use of a particular word are always significantly dissimilar, which would seem to be to maintain effective communication is impossible or sporadic, that's about the best we can do at least as far as "ordinary language" is concerned. So I think it's useful to consult a dictionary particularly where issues like "the meaning of life" are being addressed. At the least, we can learn whether what we are addressing bears any relation to the common use or some common uses of the words we're using. That provides clarification if nothing more. — Ciceronianus the White
Regarding 4, the special or hidden meaning of my life or those of others is obviously something different from what is intended or conveyed by my life or theirs. It is therefore something which can be neither intended by us nor conveyed to us. So, why speculate what it might be, as it can never be known?
The word "meaning" in your question would refer to life having some end or goal toward which it strives. I think life does have such an end, but that it can only be described negatively. — Thorongil
Living things strive for permanent satisfaction of their desires... — Thorongil
Rather, one must renounce the desire for satisfaction itself. — Thorongil
Well, that depends on how you define, "meaning". Some have already claimed that "meaning" refers to some end goal. The problem with this is that one can fail at achieving a goal, so the end goal can't be the cause of life as it exists. If it were, then all goals would be achieved. Also, there is no end goal for the universe, or life in it. Goals only exist in minds which places value on everything in how it helps or hinders achieving one's goals. Values are derived from the present goal. Does the universe have a value system based on some goal?Does it make sense to assign a (universal, not personal) "meaning" to "life"? Or has the question always been a category error? — hypericin
But in that case it could not have been what was intended or conveyed by his life or the lives of others in his time. The meaning of our lives is bounded by our lives; it was so bounded for those who lived in the past, and will be so bounded by those who live in the future, if we have recourse to a dictionary.This is incorrect, it might be told to us. It might have been told to someone in the past who wrote it down. — Punshhh
Does it make sense to assign a (universal, not personal) "meaning" to "life"? Or has the question always been a category error? — hypericin
Riiiiight... — Sapientia
So, how do you think you know this? And why can it only be described negatively? Do you mean, you can't even say what it is, but can only say what it isn't? — Sapientia
No they don't. I don't. Many others don't. And how did you reach that conclusion about nonhuman living things? A chimp, a cat, an ant, a tree...? — Sapientia
No, there is nothing to back up the claim that one "must" do that. And there are good reasons not to. — Sapientia
Does it make sense to assign a (universal, not personal) "meaning" to "life"? Or has the question always been a category error? — hypericin
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