an economy that lasts 100 years in which the majority of people are very well off? That's what stopping procreating would give us. — Bartricks
Eventually the child group will disappear altogether, at which point we'll have a massive central group (for we are in that group the longest) and an elderly population. But that's better - that's a better situation economically than one in which you have the elderly AND the children. — Bartricks
If you believe that global warming will cause great suffering, and you believe it is wrong to cause, or even contribute to, greater suffering, then what is hypothetical about that? — Janus
It does not try to achieve any particular goal. — alcontali
And I will be supported when I retire - I'll pay for support. — Bartricks
I don't agree. The goal is workability. — Janus
Do you really think that we have any good reason to believe that we will find solutions to the massive, rapidly intensifying convergence of problems we currently face? Take global warming; no one seems to have any idea how we could stop using fossil fuels (which is arguably what would be needed to avoid catastrophic warming) without collapsing the current economy. — Janus
It's laden with hypocrisy and cowardice.This is the anti-natalist argument, one that I find contemptible. Full of anger and bitter hatred for the world and people in it. Nothing is more mean-spirited, graceless than this. It makes me feel sick to my stomach. — T Clark
Children are the hope of the future, and denying them is denying the chance for redemption; no two ways about it. — Shamshir
No children - no future; thus the children are the future and its hope rests with the them.The future is the only hope for the future. — Janus
Look around you. How malicious human history has been and is continuing to be; bad news everyday.In any case why is mankind in need of redemption? — Janus
Or alternatively, quickly inspect those economies in which people have loads and loads of children and compare them to economies in which people have fewer children and see which ones you think are doing better. — Bartricks
the issue is whether it is ethical to procreate, not how wise it is in terms of pension planning. — Bartricks
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