The assumption is we should throw more people into the world so they can be happy producing things. Kill me now please. — schopenhauer1
You could always retreat into the woods/mountains as a hermit and forget about us silly humans. — NKBJ
But to each his own--enjoy wallowing in your self-made hell :) — NKBJ
Another fallacy...if the system is flawed, it must be something wrong with YOU. — schopenhauer1
BUT you also have choices about how to deal with life's lemons. Be a gloomy grouchy McSadPants, or try and make the best of it. — NKBJ
Apparently people need to be born so they can work, and have choices about where to work :roll: (even if that was a perfect reality of really being able to choose where to work). — schopenhauer1
In my opinion, work or "labor" can be a good thing, once removed from the typical humdrum of the ever-hungry capitalist machine.
Par exemple, most people have "creative" hobbies in which they labor to produce something for their personal or shared/social enjoyment. — NKBJ
Sprinkle this with some sort of hedonic justification of the 6 or so pleasures of the world (physical/aesthetic pleasure, relationships, yadayada...):vomit: :vomit: . — schopenhauer1
The realities were because we were born we have to survive which means we need to utilize/consume some sort of resources for survival. — schopenhauer1
But there's a point to my existence because I, as a conscious creature, am the meaning-maker and I say there is one. Instead of feeling robbed of.... of what? Non-existence? The chance not to...think? Be? Feel? — NKBJ
Once you've stared down the empty and treacherous throat of existential crisis, you need to pull yourself back and decide: "you took the sourest lemon that life has to offer and turned it into something resembling lemonade." — NKBJ
That perspective is off.. If you never existed, there is no mattering in the first place. There is no you to be deprived of anything in the first place. You are not in a room saying, "Let me in!". — schopenhauer1
Just keep producing stuff or die, including more lemonade. — schopenhauer1
It's a nonsensical question. The point in never existing (which can never happen to the ones who already exist) or for potential new people?Right! So what's the point in that? — NKBJ
I produce knowledge :wink: :victory: — NKBJ
The assumption is that production is good and needs to occur, and people need to fulfill that by being born to do that. — schopenhauer1
good and meaningful as possible — NKBJ
As for the 70% agreeing with Medicare-for-all, the approval drops to a minority when followed up with the caveat that they would lose their employer-based insurance. — Noah Te Stroete
In NKBJ’s defense, she might be arguing that people ought to take a stake (and often do) in the community regardless of how the system treats them personally. — Noah Te Stroete
I’m just pointing out that the actual approval of Medicare-for-all is much lower (a minority of around 30%) when it is actually understood what that entails. — Noah Te Stroete
She had no defence. She said things that in my humble opinion were plain stupid. — god must be atheist
Sure, but as I point out clarification and framing can shift this approval. — Maw
Yeah, people can be manipulated quite easily by authority figures. If they hear a leader with a strong personality frame something a certain way... — Noah Te Stroete
One of the worst assumptions of all economics is that people should like producing things, and that production is good in and of itself. The assumption is we should throw more people into the world so they can be happy producing things. Kill me now please. :vomit: — schopenhauer1
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