FREE WILL
Given that I cannot choose to consciously exist in this situation:
I choose to be aware
I choose to connect
I choose to collaborate — Possibility
I am sure the opposite happens all the time. (Your changing your mind on the conviction whether there is free will or not.) — god must be atheist
I'm having trouble understanding how 'changing your mind' is reconcilable with 'determinism' — Wayfarer
Because one changes one’s mind for a reason. — Wayfarer
Or did something compel you to do that. If the answer is that you were compelled to do it, then how could a rational argument persuade you otherwise? — Wayfarer
This also supports my view that the main reason people disavow free will is because it’s scary. Freedom entails responsibility, and a lot of people can’t deal with it. Easier to think you’re a machine. — Wayfarer
That reason can be reduced to physical causality if the laws of cause and effect are true. Changing certain brain chemicals should do it — khaled
That is the result of the movement of certain muscles and your ears/eyes detecting the results. That movement must have been caused by other movements following strict laws of physics. — khaled
This is Ad Hominem — khaled
So are you proposing a new force other than the Strong nuclear, Weak nuclear, Gravitational or Electromagnetic? If so I'd love to hear about this "free will force" you speak of. Please send a peer reviewed paper talking about your revolutionary finding. — khaled
MOVE this electron that way or this way — khaled
In any case, if I write something that annoys you, like I just did, that changes the chemicals — Wayfarer
We don't know that; it is the operative delusion of materialism. — Wayfarer
There is no electron until it is measured. The 'uncertainty principle' torpedoed any idea of universal determinism. — Wayfarer
That is the operative delusion of materialism. The laws of physics account for only a certain range of phenomena within the very domain in which they're applicable; they have nothing whatever to say about what you decide to write. The main way in which the laws of physics applies to persons is that you will fall at the same rate as an inanimate object! — Wayfarer
That is 'top-down causation' right there; no matter has been transmitted, only ideas — Wayfarer
No it's not, because it applies to a type of argument — Wayfarer
Well, you can't retroactively make a choice, so if you are saying that all choice moves forward in time, ok. I'm not sure how that is relevant. — Pantagruel
I'm having trouble understanding how 'changing your mind' is reconcilable with 'determinism'. If you are able to change your mind, then how is that not a free choice? I suppose you could say 'I have no choice but to accept....' but even so, 'acceptance' seems to me a willing act. — Wayfarer
They send electrical signals to my brain — khaled
You are having trouble understanding how things change. — god must be atheist
I'm having trouble understanding how 'changing your mind' is reconcilable with 'determinism'. — Wayfarer
You are having trouble understanding how things change.
— god must be atheist
I think it's more the case that you're having trouble saying anything coherent. — Wayfarer
Either you have free will or you do not — Arne
The libertarians, also admitting determinism, mostly, have it that since such as QM shows 'randomness', which mostly cancels out, that some of the 'randomness' might make it into the will's decision-making process, disrupting it, causing an outcome which wouldn't normally happen. However, this harms the will and so it's tough to see how it helps 'free will', for then some decisions might be as 'air-headed', this being not really any help, although they say it can promote variety. Their consolation is that they may have showed that events could have been different if the universe were to be rerun. — PoeticUniverse
The 'free' of 'free will' to some might mean that the will is not determined, that determinism in not inherent in its analysis for decisions, that it is somehow undetermined, which doesn't sound useful, but they would have to show something non-libertarian to have a 'free will' that is not a 'fixed will' that still grants us consistency to act as ourselves as we have come to be up to that moment. — PoeticUniverse
'Free will' sounds like a good thing to have, yet references to it without definition are meaningless.
One, trivial, but common definition is that the will is free/able to operate normally in the absence of. coercion. — PoeticUniverse
As I see it, the will - the ‘faculty by which a person decides on and initiates action’ - consists of these three assertions, and as such, is naturally unconstrained. — Possibility
Awareness is inherent in the brain/will, a part of its nature. The will may or may not attend much further to what it is aware of, although it is difficult not to; we see an apple and then think what to do with a bit.
I have to guess at 'connect', but preclude it being with people since that is covered in the next item. Consciousness connects in unity the result of the will/brain doings, and also connects it seamlessly to what it had previously. This would seem to be automatic.
'Collaborate' seems optional, but again I have nothing further to go on about its meaning here. — PoeticUniverse
Matter hasn't been transmitted but that isn't the only physical reaction possible. You type, my eyes detect the words. They send electrical signals to my brain. The electrical signals act in deterministic (or random) ways in my brain. The result is that it makes me type something else. Maybe you missed my entire point but my point was that this "transmittion of ideas" can only happen through physical means. And to influence those physical means you'd need a physical cause. Free will is not a physical cause as we have yet to find a free will force. If you find it please tell me — khaled
My theory is that the will - the basic faculty by which any action is decidedly initiated - is fundamental to all matter, — Possibility
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