Of course there's an incompatibility! You just spoke of it yourself. There's nothing in the scientific method which says, "Just believe whatever you like because it is a part of some religion". — S
There's nothing in the scientific method which says, "Just believe whatever you like because it is a part of some religion". — S
This "exception" is a religion that has endured for more than 3000 years as the main religion of large and powerful nation.Look, if you you're an exception, then good for you — S
Why not? It's not a metaphor for "something else", but a metaphor for that which it truly is.Sure, except that you don't really believe that if that's all a metaphor for something else entirely. You can't have it both ways — S
There's nothing in the scientific method that says anything about what to believe about subjects which fall outside the purview of science. — Janus
You're wrong on that point.You are responding to this matter like someone who is unduly focused on the letter of the law, whilst neglecting the spirit of the law. — S
The scientific method isn't based on principles whereby one can believe whatever they like purely on faith. — S
It's not a metaphor for "something else", but a metaphor for that which it truly is. — WerMaat
Would you say that I'm lying, that I cannot point to little bits of plastic and say "that's a planet", this is obviously false? — WerMaat
The mythology and the images of the gods - that's my model, the representation. The divine being behind it is more vast and abstract. — WerMaat
Yeah, of course I am wrong because you must be right!
You are responding like someone who thinks there is an objective or absolute law where there is none. You should know by now that I do not have any sympathy for any kind of fundamentalism including the kind of scientism you are espousing. — Janus
You know that I'm right that no one who is true to the spirit of the scientific method would believe the whacky unsubstantiated stuff of religion. — S
Science cannot answer everything, and any scientist worth his salt knows this. One can believe anything one wants when it comes to things science cannot deal with. — Noah Te Stroete
There are many scientists who are religious. — Janus
but if you're going to kid yourself into believing that that doesn't fly in the face of the spirit of the scientific method, then I'm minded to set you straight. — S
And what is “the spirit of the scientific method?” And why should people value it? — Noah Te Stroete
The point that Janus and others are making is comparable to pointing out that you can be a serial killer and Judge, and then pretending as though there's no conflict here. — S
The spirit of the scientific method is about the epistemological standard employed, about the broader context. — S
Care to back up this analogy with an argument? — Noah Te Stroete
This epistemic standard only deals with the physical world, and almost all of the people who were responsible for the Enlightenment were believers in God. — Noah Te Stroete
It does so for a reason, and that reason is because it is part of a broader framework whereby there's a standard for what passes as knowledge, and all else warrants only scepticism, not diving headfirst into fantasy land. — S
The epistemic standard for investigating the physical world is grounded in sense data. Couldn’t the epistemic standard for investigating the spiritual be grounded in conscious experience? If not, please explain. — Noah Te Stroete
and that it's inconsistent to selectively flip flop like that when it suits you. — S
Well, as a Hume scholar yourself, you already know that induction, the basis of science, is nothing more than habit. Habit, wishful thinking... pick your poison. — Noah Te Stroete
Furthermore, and I don’t have the statistics to say what percentage of experiments fall into this category, but many experiments are not repeatable. — Noah Te Stroete
Oh, right. I see. So, because I think highly of Hume, I must therefore agree with everything he had to say. I think that very few people, in this day and age, would agree that the basis of science is nothing more than habit. — S
Well, I’m not a physicalist. — Noah Te Stroete
I must rely on my conscious experience for some beliefs. This conscious experience may not give rise to predictions about the physical world or discover any laws about itself, but that’s not the same domain. — Noah Te Stroete
But I have no problem with arriving at beliefs through conscious experience. I have a problem with arriving at religious beliefs unjustifiably based on conscious experience. — S
But I have no problem with arriving at beliefs through conscious experience. I have a problem with arriving at religious beliefs unjustifiably based on conscious experience. — S
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