You were asked a question with a yes/no answer. That question you did not answer. And even now you do not address. — tim wood
Whatever it is about X that is bad, to predicate that badness about X — tim wood
Ah, okay. And what would you say is an example of this? — Terrapin Station
Already exhibited to you, I think more than once. See Mortimer Adler, for example. — tim wood
My question to Terrapin is an attempt to find a starting point in a discussion, which you may have noticed he flees from. — tim wood
You don't seem to have grasped the fact that you're arguing with someone who believes that things are only morally right/wrong from an individual subjective perspective.Because murder,in itself, does not allow of degrees, , and cannot be partly wrong and not wrong, then it must be right. — tim wood
By refusing to say murder is wrong, Terrapin is in effect saying that it is not the case that murder is wrong. — tim wood
As I recall, you wanted to consider "ought to do X," disregarding the "if you want Y. Was that it? — tim wood
Let's not go there. I have a question for you. Is murder wrong? — tim wood
But whether people believe/accept it or not, foundational moral stances ARE simply ways that they feel. There's no way to justify them on facts, since you can't derive an ought from an is. Again, this is the case whether people believe or act like it is or not. — Terrapin Station
I don't think the "simply" belongs here. Moral stances may originate as feelings. But they have another dimension when other subjects enter the picture, and start to communicate. That's why i think it's accurate to say that there is an interpersonal layer where things like "moral truths" reside. This does not make them facts, or justifiable from facts. — Echarmion
But there are also things that are reason-able, like "murder is wrong", because these kinds of brain-states, whatever we want to call them, contain in them a connection to other subjects. — Echarmion
Truth is a subjective judgment about the relation of a proposition to something else. So "truth" isn't the right word here certainly. — Terrapin Station
Are you defining "reason" as "a connection to other subjects"? — Terrapin Station
Given where we've been, your answer is deeply disingenuous. You're not asked for your opinion. To my ear, you've been asked the equivalent of, '"is two and two four?" And you've answered, "yes, in my opinion." — tim wood
Yes. Point to you. I get sometimes hung up on this being and attempting to be a philosophy site. Which I take to be a place to learn. Not everyone participates with either that understanding or that agenda. — tim wood
But I think it's a defining characteristic of reason that it is shared among humans. — Echarmion
How the F is this responsive to anything? — tim wood
You're not asked for your opinion. — tim wood
As to the question itself, "Is X wrong," I do not see therein any reference to opinion. — tim wood
Terrapin's moral statements might be nothing more than mere expressions of what he likes and dislikes but my moral statements are not. — Magnus Anderson
"The surest way to end up in heaven is by not lying to other people." — Magnus Anderson
I wouldn't actually say that that is a moral statement because it doesn't express whether it's right or wrong to lie or end up in heaven, or whether one should or should not lie or end up in heaven. — Terrapin Station
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