Can someone please shut this Bishop? — Purple Pond

The truth hurts eh. Poor demented fool.

Regards
DL

Isn't it strange that fear makes us pray? Kinda makes you think about who's at fault here? — TheMadFool

As our friend just posted.

Only a Fool would blame His own creations
For the taint therein—of His poor craftsmanship.
— PoeticUniverse

Regards
DL

Poor demented fool. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

You’re the reason nobody likes you, you retarded ugly troll.

Can I plagiarize this as is or will I have to ruin the symmetry with my own wording. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

Sure, you can use it and anything I put; all for the cause.

nobody — Purple Pond

LOL.

Nobody?

Show the survey, or be seen as a liar.

Regards
DL

Sure, you can use it and anything I put; all for the cause. — PoeticUniverse

Perfect. Thanks.

Regards
DL

Show the survey, or be seen as a liar. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

:roll:

As our friend just posted.

Only a Fool would blame His own creations
For the taint therein—of His poor craftsmanship.
— PoeticUniverse — Gnostic Christian Bishop

I meant to say that, hidden in our psyche, there's a part of us that wants God to exist. The times when we're distracted by the many pleasures of worldly life we don't get to see that part of us but it does surface when we're in mortal danger.

This of course is not proof that God exists but it does go to show that we're willing to forgive his faults, meaning us, our vices and the world, its unforgiving nature.

hidden in our psyche, there's a part of us that wants God to exist. The times when we're distracted by the many pleasures of worldly life we don't get to see that part of us but it does surface when we're in mortal danger. — TheMadFool

Plus also a wish to carry on beyond our expiration date, which can turn religious or zen…

NOW AND ZEN

Everything that is part of us—
Our cells, tissues, organs and organ systems—
Has come about over billions of years
Because it proved successful
In the great survival stakes
During our perilous evolutionary
Descent (ascent) with modification.

The brain, being no exception,
Evolved in part
To allow a creature to learn
From what happens in its life,
To retain key elements that
Could influence future actions.

We are geared for self-preservation;
We will do anything to avoid facing the possibility
That who we are now cannot continue.

We ourselves are mainly the cause
That we are interested in.
The self is preoccupied with staying alive,
Which is why our species is still around today.

It is a prime biological function to be afraid of death,
And so the self as thus contrived
Is able to fully play its crucial survival role.

We want to equip our brain with a soul
That offers us an escape when the brain dies
Since the self cannot come to terms
With its own extinction.

From a subjective standpoint,
We are all born equal and undifferentiated
(Before that, ‘we’ were dead),
But as mature selves we make a distinction
Between the individual and the surroundings.

Still the brain keeps changing throughout life
In a pattern of the shifting flux of its neurons;
We gain and lose memories and feelings,
Essentially creating a new person over and over again.

The self is thus not so rock solid as it seems.
These moment-to-moment changes differ from death
Only in degree. In essence, they are identical,
Although at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

So, we are not static things.
Other neural networks will come to be in other,
Future people, albeit with an “amnesia”
Of what went on before in
The brains of the previous others.

Why should we be happy about this?

We never can be because the ‘I’ cannot operate
Outside of its own boundaries.
The only viable alternative is to think of a way
In which it is possible to ever continue on.

What will it be like to be a part
Of someone else after we die,
With our own particular
Narrative of life cast aside?

That is the ‘zen’
Of now and then and when.

I think I can identify the reasons why this troll is being perpetuated.

1.His obsession with his infantile anthropomorhism with which he goads 'believers', and which he ascribes to conventional belief in 'God', is parasitic on, but superficially appeals to, reactionary atheism therby attracting initial attention to himself.. (This would appear to contravene what I have read about one of the basic tenets of Gnosticism, 'to respect all religions').
2. As far as I know, there is no 'poetry section' here in which the urge to be creative in that genre can be satisfied. No doubt that poster could equally attempt to exercise his talents on any issue that might give an audience (even of one !).

So what we have here is a maverick pseudo-gnostic dancing with an aspiring poet on the dance floor of 'a philosophy forum' !

BTW Here's a 'philosophical sonnet' of my own. (It's okay. I'll just dance in a corner).

The Wood and the Trees

Walk with me this childhood path
Where thoughts did bud like Spring's array
That fir, as sapling knew my breath
And bent to the grasp of random play.

Here was the stream where Summer's heat
Trickled to cool beneath the tree
And stark stones sharp beneath my feet
Stippled the flow of eternity.

That which was supple, time binds firm
And that which was wide, to stricture grows.
Each junction of life invites our turn
But closes behind mind's dark hedgerows.

Youth's smiles and tears may betoken nought
Until life's path has its values wrought.

Youth's smiles and tears may betoken nought
Until life's path has its values wrought. — fresco

The whole poem is excellent, both as to the forest nature description and to the winding refinement of values upon human nature.

Appreciated !

I meant to say that, hidden in our psyche, there's a part of us that wants God to exist. The times when we're distracted by the many pleasures of worldly life we don't get to see that part of us but it does surface when we're in mortal danger.

This of course is not proof that God exists but it does go to show that we're willing to forgive his faults, meaning us, our vices and the world, its unforgiving nature. — TheMadFool

To your first. Sure we want a crutch to help us through hard times. That desire is fueled as you rightly indicate, by our psyche. You might have the time for these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IqYHiejTVM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MYsx6WArKY

To your last.

I can appreciate forgiving god as we wish to forgive ourselves.

I cannot appreciate a moral mind thinking that a good god-- sarcasm --- should be forgiven for genocide and infanticide.

Regards
DL

Plus also a wish to carry on beyond our expiration date, which can turn religious or zen… — PoeticUniverse

Those who have that insane desire need to read some of the Shangri-La stories to know why they would wish to be dead if they had eternal life.

Even the ancients know of this and that may be why they showed A & E rejecting the tree of life for the tree of knowledge.

Regards
DL

'to respect all religions' — fresco

Where did you read this?

It is not true at all. How could it be when we are known for denouncing Yahweh as a demiurge.

You might want to put your brain in gear so as to not look completely stupid and remember as you speak of others.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

Reciprocity is fair play and that is why I lowered myself to your little mind's level.

Regards
DL

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Where in the Woe is Purgatory’s bane?
Purgatory’s on Venus, where sulfurs rain.
Where in the Heck is that deep Hell of pain?
Hell’s found in the sun’s heart, oh hot burning pain!

Where in the name of Heaven is Paradisea?
Of Heaven’s site no one has any idea—
Really now, where’s Heaven one and the same?
It’s the world’s best kept secret: Earth is its name!

Yes, that’s said, but truly, where is the stead…
I must tell of them that they’re only read;
…Of those places spent after we are dead?
It’s written of words that language bred.

‘Twas hope-word that invented All that was said?
‘Twas these that were signed for anything Divine ‘said’.

My mind wants more, as well as a reward beyond.

Mind is the ultimate of all there is;
It is the universe: billions of years
Of primordial material, complex;
So, then, what more could human beings want?

From googling 'The Cult of Gnosticism'

Gnosticism is a philosophical and religious movement which started in pre-Christian times. The term is derived from the Greek word gnosis which means "knowledge". Gnostics claimed to have secret knowledge about God, humanity and the rest of the universe of which the general population was unaware. It became one of the three main belief systems within 1st century Christianity, and was noted for its:

-novel beliefs about Gods, the Bible and the world which differed from those of other Christian groups

-tolerance of different religious beliefs within and outside of Gnosticism

-lack of discrimination against women

TO THE PSEUDO GNOSTIC

Actually 'Gnosticism' relative to other esoteric cults, looks like a pretty nebulous hotchpotch of ideas.
The 'hidden truths of the bible' are much convincingly handled by the Kabbalah, or by Gurdjieff's Sufi inspired views of the NewTestament, or even by Steiner's 'anthropophesy'. The fact that Jung dabbled with pantheisic ideas like 'the collective unconciousness' or that Rubert Sheldrake's 'morphic resonance' has recently lead him back to 'religious ritual' in general, and Anglicanism In particular, cannot be taken as endorsment by 'scientists' for the upsurge of interest in esotericism, much of which can be traced to the zeitgeist of dissatisfaction with mainstream religion in the aftermath of WW1.

It is obvious to anybody who has read up on esotericism in general, that banal 'heckling' about their own dissent issues about mainstream religion shows a complete lack of understanding of the subject. And ironically, 'authoritative' proponents of esoteric cults argue that such activities are an impediment to actually achieving 'enlightenment' .

In short, your obsessive behavior has more to do with ignorance than the 'knowledge' you seek.

Blameless, Shameless, and Fameless

Human nature’s ranges of inclinations
Will, to no surprise, express themselves
Far and wide, as such they ought, regardless
Of that constitution being intended.

Especially if the human recipe
Was thought out, planned, designed notably,
And so implemented accordingly,
Then the results will be just as they should be.

If mistakes crept into the formulas,
Then we’re still as made, outcomes expected,
So, one’s own creation’s still respected—
No shame for all, obviating the blame.

From googling 'The Cult of Gnosticism'

Gnosticism is a philosophical and religious movement which started in pre-Christian times. The term is derived from the Greek word gnosis which means "knowledge". Gnostics claimed to have secret knowledge about God, humanity and the rest of the universe of which the general population was unaware. It became one of the three main belief systems within 1st century Christianity, and was noted for its:

-novel beliefs about Gods, the Bible and the world which differed from those of other Christian groups

-tolerance of different religious beliefs within and outside of Gnosticism

-lack of discrimination against women — fresco

I see nothing to argue against here. Thanks for posting it.

Do you think our ways superior to the Christian ways of misogyny and intolerance of even other Christian cults?

Regards
DL

obsessive behavior — fresco

Thanks for the non peer reviewed opinion, which I could argue easily against but am not interested in doing as there is too much garbage in it. In my opinion of course.
Further, the writer is not around for me to argue with and all I have is a guy that can npot put his own words and opinion down.

What obsessive behavior are you attributing to me and can you not stay large minded and stay away from all your personal garbage?

Regards
DL

It seems like he might have had the judgment you are not tolerant of different religious beliefs. This is not because of the behavior of some members, but even intolerant of beliefs you consider supernatural, for example. It was that sentence that was highlighted.

I am not going to guess at meanings and intent.

Of course I am intolerant to the intolerant homophobes and misogynous and those who willfully put some supernatural genocidal prick above their moral sense that says such a real big prick is evil.

If you don't, what the hell is wrong with you?

Regards
DL

You might want to put your brain in gear so as to not look completely stupid and remember as you speak of others. — Gnostic Christian Bishop

So if someone believes in supernatural things, you assume that they will treat others immorally?

The ancients found themselves here and not there,
Yet to fathom earth, fire, water, and air,
Asking why life was not square, as unfair,
So invented the Bad Role Model’s Care.

They looked unto their calamities,
Their powerful rulers and enemies,
Toward their olden family structure’s way,
Of strict father, and mother with no say.

This Father Notion they based on themselves,
As the best answer that was ever delved:
The demanding Male Mind who was called ‘God’,
An idea for some to this day, well trod.

The Christian concept of reward and punishment
Handed out by an omnipotent, omniscient God,
Is derivative of the family experience,
The child and parent, a conception of our world.

Answers were needed for them to persist:
They extended the Notion with more myths
And legends into lore layered upon,
Inventing all the scrolls of scripture on.

‘God’ brought both fear and comfort in those days,
Making people better through fearsome ways,
Although worse for some—the unchosen tribes,
Protecting their notions, as taught by scribes.

A wasteland of superstition plod,
Instantiates a meaning for ‘God’.
Emotion e’er sets up a firm blockade
When thoughts fired more build a stockade.

So, then, what kind of a 'God' came forth in the imaginings of the ancients that became the dogma that our karma now runs over (as contradictions we've attended to elsewhere in the threads)?

At least with the many gods and entities of old, the bad stuff could all be relegated to a few of them; however, all these old separate entities were amalgamated in the One True God (as claimed).

The dogma written in stone still lives on, unchanged, for it can't change or it wouldn't be dogma, but we can wonder why it is that we wouldn't follow the Example. How about that the invented 'God' doesn't have good character? And even that He has bad character. It is easy to out think Him; He is the easiest target ever dreamt up.

(God: The Non Role Model)

‘Tis lucky for us that God doesn’t exist,
For in breaking the rules He’d ever persist.
Even His own commandments wouldn’t be sacred,
Since He’d murder His own forms created.

Well, this would be goof, big time, a mistake,
So then a joyous rainbow He might make,
To show He’d no more rain a worldly lake,
But He could still destroy us all by earthquake!

He’d slay by flame and flood excruciate;
He’d entrap; he’d blame us for His mistake;
He’d hold grudges for our ancestors’ sins;
He’d throw tantrums and fits; his name, God’s Sake!

Other loves would not allowed by this Jealous One,
For He’d be the only one to enjoy the fun,
For His low esteem our adoration would be required,
This request being much like singing to the choir.

Would He have to rest on the 7th day,
After working 24-6 on making universal hay?
Or would He use boundless energy reserves,
Such that He could do it all in an instant blurb?

Would God’s last name be known as ‘Dammit’,
With ‘Herald’ His name on Earth’s planet,
And would be ‘Art’ named, when up in Heaven?
Would we swearest in vain these names never taken?

We’d have to be so lazy on the Sabbath day,
Not even lifting up a finger or even wave a bug away,
Keeping holy and wholly the laundry on Sunday,
Even avoiding polo, as the Pope doth say.

Cripes, He’d be in the right place at the right time,
Not ever having been made, not even costing a dime.
What luck to be unborn with so much talent,
Never having earned the spot with any effort spent.

Well, we’d still humor our dear parents,
Not telling them where we’d been apparent,
Honoring her offer, on her and off her;
Yet, we’d soon learn, through human nature.

If this non God we’d emulate, we could kill
Those who solicitate, and e’en more kill,
Even time, spouses, bugs, microbes, and other swill,
And, of course, outlaws, and, especially in-laws.

So, if God’s a good role model, a leader,
Someone that we would follow, imitate,
Emulate, be like, adore, or follow,
What else would his fine example allow?

We could jail people for the sins of their
Ancestors, exterminate humanity,
Allow known evil to exist and tempt,
And devise devious entrapment plans.

We could have temper tantrums and outbursts,
Envy, not permit competitors,
Grant free will only it matched our own,
And covet worship, adoration, and praise.

Now, as to the commandment sultry;
Yes, we should surely admit adultery.
Would we banish all thoughts impure?
Well, that’s simply our human nature.

Now, if He’d wanted us not to be naked, say,
Then surely we’d have been born that way.
As for padding, that would false witness be,
So, please, please keep a-breast of reality.

And no loving thy neighbors much too much,
By coveting their Heavenly bodies such,
But thy own ass do covet; it’s not free;
Follow Moses, by always tying it to a tree.

There are stealers about, another shalt not,
Who take office supplies home a lot,
And take various and sundry restaurant items,
As well as keeping every quill, never buying them.

Now, really, ever do one to others, too,
Before they can do one to you,
And never lie in court; no, not you;
Just let your lawyer do it for you!

Now, walking on water is very much out,
Unless there is solid ice, winter, no doubt,
And always know that sin is fun’s evil twin,
And ever enter that evil Sin-a-God.

So, what more would this invented God be,
The One with neither paternity nor maternity?
Would we then be made so specially
That we’d be rewarded for all eternity?

If we’d worship Him from fear of Hell,
Then He’d rightly cast us into it;
If we’d worship Him from a desire for Paradise,
Then He’d deny us entrance into it.

Well, He’s still on His meds, so we say,
For He works in mysterious, insane, ways.
The free will to us given is ever free,
Unless it doesn’t match His own entirely.

He’d still detest evil so totally completely,
That he’d allow the Devil to tempt us mercilessly.
And sins, even the most horrible ones, well,
No big deal; just repent them to avoid Hell.

Rigged and jigged, God’s perfect plans would be done,
But he’d long for some surprises yet to come,
So He might even roll the dice, it being ‘random’;
‘Damn!’ He’d say, ‘I already know the outcome!’

One-night stands with engaged young virgins
Would be alright, but those are not good urgins;
And no fighting, especially if you are weak;
So, when one kisses your ass, turn the other cheek!

The Diviner would just sit around, with nothing else to do,
His mind already full with what would become as new.
He couldn’t play dice, scrambling the forecast,
For He would know all of which the die was cast.


R.I.P. The Biblical 'God' idea

So if someone believes in supernatural things, you assume that they will treat others immorally? — Coben

Where did I indicate such nonsense?

Regards
DL

Gnostic Christian Bishop — Gnostic Christian Bishop

R.I.P. The Biblical 'God' idea — PoeticUniverse

So, how are those descriptions for getting the Biblicals to think deeper?

R.I.P. The Biblical 'God' idea — PoeticUniverse — PoeticUniverse

It is not so much to kill Yahweh. It is to have more moral people than he is recognize that they are that.

I want to bring good news to their egos and minds by improving their thinking, not bad news that their god is dead. If dead, he will just be replaced. Let him live as an example of evil.

That is the lesson to be learned. I come to heal, not to kill. I am not like Yahweh. I have a Christ mind.

Regards
DL