• schopenhauer1
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    I already stated that in order to know what scale the universe is, you'd have to compare it to something else. Scales are comparisons with other things.

    Is the question you are asking more like, "Do comparisons (similarities and differences) exist independent of minds?"
    Harry Hindu

    Ok, in this context, scale is related with a point of view. The point of view of a human has a certain scale to it. We do not observe strings, we do not observe the universe as a whole. We have a human perspective which has its own scalar perception. Step outside of the human perception, what is the scale? Well, we probably just project our own scale onto this non-human world. What is the actual scale of something without the human perceiver?
  • Tzeentch
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    All is relative. We could be living in the subatomic particles of another world, for all we know. It reminds me of this famous scene from the Simpsons:

    https://external-preview.redd.it/n8RY8KcpG9JEj6VRsFBMA7DdX0jq0Tb1H4yRE_y_3c0.gif?format=mp4&s=7a205b2d94be9387f2e83a12e40ec2ca8c3e4290
  • PoeticUniverse
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    Ok, in this context, scale is related with a point of view. The point of view of a human has a certain scale to itschopenhauer1

    The view is either a holistic all at once taking in or a close-up linear detailed view. The eye can detect down to a few photons.
  • Harry Hindu
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    Ok, in this context, scale is related with a point of view. The point of view of a human has a certain scale to it. We do not observe strings, we do not observe the universe as a whole. We have a human perspective which has its own scalar perception. Step outside of the human perception, what is the scale? Well, we probably just project our own scale onto this non-human world. What is the actual scale of something without the human perceiver?schopenhauer1
    I would say that scales are comparisons of properties. The comparison exists in our mind, but the propeties we compare are independent of our minds. With a perspective the world appears located relative to our eyes, but the world is not located relative to the eyes. This is because the senses provide information about the world relative to our bodies.
  • schopenhauer1
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    I would say that scales are comparisons of properties. The comparison exists in our mind, but the propeties we compare are independent of our minds. With a perspective the world appears located relative to our eyes, but the world is not located relative to the eyes. This is because the senses provide information about the world relative to our bodies.Harry Hindu

    Right, so what scale do these properties subsist in-itself? Properties subsist, but not scale of these properties, you say. Then what does it mean to say the properties subsist without scale? Just, "it is what it is" sort of thing? That's not really satisfying. Properties aren't minds, so they don't subsist in their "own" scale. We always just "put" the scale in the equation, even when we say it is only something "relative" to a perceiver.
  • PoeticUniverse
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    so what scaleschopenhauer1

    If there are no absolutes, then there is no scale and the universe is fractal or it just pain has no scale but what is relative to itself.
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