The late Russell tried to drop propositions in favor of beliefs, but it's generally accepted that that doesnt work. — frank
"All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth." -- Somebody other than Nietzsche — frank
Truth-makers are a distraction, not a help — Banno
What sorts of things can be true, and what makes them so? — creativesoul
What sorts of things can be true, and what makes them so?
— creativesoul
You want us to list the things that all truths have in common? — Banno
So, now we have an interesting situation. The quote in your OP says that everything is a matter of interpretation. I interpret Tarski to be referring to an actuality in his t-sentence. Maybe Tarski thinks he is not. Is there a privileged interpretation of the T-sentence? What would determine the truth in this case? — Janus
There are two uses of the word in play. One is about what we take to be true. The other is akin to absolute truth. — frank
The focus should be on the conflicts that arise due to these two uses, not annointing one to be correct usage and the other incorrect. — frank
I agree. That is why sometimes truth does not have power, even though it could (and I would say it should). Ultimately, the greatest power has to love the truth enough to act for the interests of justice, which is why I have specified that only a "righteous authority" empowers the truth. A morally compromised authority, rather, empowers corruption. Corruption relies upon deceit, untruth, evasion of, and suppression of truth.Judgment, in order to be of any significance has to have the power of enforcement. The greatest power on the scene has that power. Any lesser wielders of power are themselves subject to this greatest power. — frank
I don't think that negates the principles though. Notice Proverbs 28:2's observation of a nation in rebellion: they are not clinging to a supreme power, thus there are factions of power (the nation is divided against itself, as you said). The same principle still does apply though: "the greatest power on the scene enforces his own judgement".Unless the government is divided against itself. — frank
I get stuck and must move on to a different post, thread, forum or activity to reboot my mind.thought/belief — creativesoul
Whenever I get to your construct
thought/belief
— creativesoul
I get stuck and must move on to a different post, thread, forum or activity to reboot my mind. — Banno
Any truth is embedded in a context - any assertion is part of a language. Nothing is independent of all contexts. — Banno
Yes. Tarski's t-sentence is a rule for the use of the truth predicate in formal languages. — frank
Yeah. Nuh. — Banno
You'd have to go to imagining a world about which we could not speak; and asking if there were any truths in such a world. Then my position might be difficult.Imagine a world where there are no sentient beings at all. Are there any truths in that world according to you? I'm not saying I think there are, but I take you, based on your comments over the years, to be someone who would say there are. — Janus
But shouldn't the truth, by virtue of being the truth, exert some power of its own? We can only reside in fiction for so long, right? — frank
So in the context of humanity as a whole there will be some things which are true always and everywhere and other which will be true only relative to certain cultures. — Janus
Yeah. Nuh. — Banno
You don't believe there are some things true of all humans regardless of culture? Why not? — Janus
I didn't make such a claim. — Banno
Tarski's own thoughts, beliefs, and ideas are the standard by which we determine which report of Tarski is more commensurate with and/or amenable to Tarski. — creativesoul
If Tarski never used the term "actuality" then Tarski was not referring to actuality. — creativesoul
The right sets out as precisely as possible what must be the case in order for the statement, belief, assertion, thought, or proposition to be true. — creativesoul
I get stuck and must move on to a different post, thread, forum or activity to reboot my mind. — Banno
Structuring an assertion requires belief, and truth is a predicate of assertions, hence truth requires belief. — Banno
...shouldn't the truth, by virtue of being the truth, exert some power of its own — frank
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