No nihilism and its extra worldly imaginings required to account for meaning. Meaning is staring at you, immanent to every material presence. — TheWillowOfDarkness
Meaning is staring at you, immanent to every material presence. — TheWillowOfDarkness
[p/s-materialism] provides no account of meaning. — Wayfarer
... the basis of semiotics is that intentionality and signs (in Peirce’s sense) can’t be derived from, and aren’t reducible to, physical laws. — Wayfarer
In a nutshell I understand theism as a failure of explanation: all (philosophical) theism as I understand it is of the 'God of the gaps' variety - in lieu of providing an immanent, naturalistic account of things, God or Gods are invoked as (non-)explanations. — StreetlightX
Maybe not "irrelevant to the human condition", but "irrelevant to philosophy" at least, on my account, goes something like this: in order to answer questions like "Is there a God?" and "Should we do what he says?", we first have to be able to answer questions of forms like "Is there X?" and "Should we X?" more generally. Once you've done that, figured out some way to answer questions about what is or ought to be, then you have already built a philosophical system; all the philosophically important questions are answered. Now you can ask whether there's a God and whether you should do what he says, using that philosophy, and it might make a big practical difference in life, but it can't make any difference to the philosophy used to answer those questions.If god did exist then how could it be irrelevant to the human condition — DingoJones
I’d have liked a middle ground Agnostic choice as that is where if fall. — Mark Dennis
In Islam, charging interest on loans is considered usury and is forbidden — Mark Dennis
Maybe the question is why does Deity rear it's ugly head in virtually every intellectual/ abstract philosophical discussion — 3017amen
Strictly speaking atheism doesn’t imply anything about anything besides God, so you can reject materialism and believe in something supernatural or spiritual but if that thing doesn’t count as God to you then you’re still an atheist. I’m more curious if you start off believing there’s nothing that counts as God and building a worldview from there or vice versa. — Pfhorrest
This old atheism of mine is merely a consequence of (my) philosophizing. — 180 Proof
Brain processes, like ink marks, sound waves, the motion of water molecules, electrical current, and any other physical phenomenon you can think of, seem clearly devoid of any inherent meaning. — Some Theist
My atheism is a consequence of (a) not being at all indoctrinated with religion as a kid, and then (b) as a mid-teen, hearing some religious views finally and saying, "Wait--you can't be serious!" — Terrapin Station
I am completely convinced that god could exist. — god must be atheist
In fact, an atheist will eventually, and grudgingly, still try to secretly run programs (=draw moral conclusions), but without using an operating system, but then his system-less bullshit will simply fail to take off. He will never admit that, however, because he has already declared that running programs (=drawing moral questions) is bad; all of that, without actually having a system to determine what is good or bad. — alcontali
In the end, atheism does not build any system. Atheism only rejects religious systems, without building anything else instead. — alcontali
How is that not just an obvious vote for one of the theist options? I think I would expect the second, if you’re the usual Kierkegaardian “confronting the absurd first, leap of faith in response to that” type. — Pfhorrest
This old atheism of mine is merely a consequence of (my) philosophizing.
— 180 Proof
My atheism is a consequence of (a) not being at all indoctrinated with religion as a kid, and then (b) as a mid-teen, hearing some religious views finally and saying, "Wait--you can't be serious!" :lol: — Terrapin Station
But if so, I still don't understand what you could possibly mean by this. To take morality (the system you alluded to) there's dozens of atheistic moral systems (moral systems which do not involve God), in fact probably more than there are religious ones. So why aren't these counting in your estimations? — Isaac
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