You dont think there are ability differences between races? None? Why do american blacks dominate most american sports? Culture? — DingoJones
There’s some odd, very defensive posts here.
Methinks they protest too much? — Banno
Being sex/color blind is generally a good thing and a good thing for the privilledged to be. — Coben
...it can be a strategy for a dominant group, after ensuring a dominated group has been pushed to the bottom of society, to claim moral brownie points for doing nothing to right the wrong. — Baden
But race, religion, gender, and ability should not matter, at least in some sense (they should not confer advantages and disadvantages, whether intrinsically or extrinsically). The problem is that anything other than neutrality toward individuals of these demographics winds up being stereotyping/hasty generalizing, and mistakes ensue. — VagabondSpectre
You have said that color-blindness is just an excuse for white conservatives to justify the status quo by denying racism, but isn't color-wokeness just another status-quo-justifying lens of its own? One that says: It doesn't matter if our society psychopathically chews up and destroys those at the bottom of the bucket, just so long as the up-down color gradient has horizontal symmetry... — VagabondSpectre
How does it turn the value of people into a counterfactual question?Woke people are against it because the question of "individual merit" turns the value of people into a counterfactual question within racial relationships with in society. — TheWillowOfDarkness
Unfortunately I don't understand what you say here. Could you rephrase this, if you have time?Instead of understanding an individual of a racial group belongs to a society, the question of "individual merit" is pulled up before that belonging is granted. — TheWillowOfDarkness
But that surely isn't at all what we mean by judging people from their actions. Wealth, status etc. are exactly the opposite of what is meant here: how wealthy you are surely doesn't give any insight about your morals, how well you behave or how honest you are. Criminals can be wealthy and people can inherit wealth even if they couldn't create themselves similar wealth, you know.When the merit understood by society (e.g. wealth, status,etc) is divided along some racial line, the notion of individual merit turns into a judgment of the belonging of people in that group. — TheWillowOfDarkness
I guess the reasoning falls back on the idea of 'white priviledge'.What would be requirements like that that have anything to do with race, though? You'd have to believe that there really are ability differences due to race, but there aren't. — Terrapin Station
Have you guys considered discussing something a little more difficult? This is a no-brainer really. — I like sushi
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