P4: The intrinsic goodness of pleasure and the intrinsic badness of suffering is observed within our inner subjective experiences and thus there is credible introspective empirical evidence that pleasure is intrinsically good and suffering is intrinsically bad. — TheHedoMinimalist
the mind is not separate from the environment. so real answers to questions will include both the mind and the environment and their relationship together in the explanation. — OmniscientNihilist
so "good" and "bad" are nothing but fleeting words. metaphysically they dont exist. metaphysically all things including pleasure and pain simply are what they are. they are neither good or bad but simply exist as aspects of being itself.
"good" and "bad" are just labels used temporarily for pragmatic purposes by the mind. — OmniscientNihilist
as for hedonism the mind will always move towards pleasure and away from pain based on its beliefs of where they are. those beliefs come from past experience or extrapolations from past experience.
choice is a deterministic cost benefit analysis run in split seconds by your subconscious mind to maximize pleasure and minimize pain. humans are basically pleasure seeking robots, whether they know/admit it or not. — OmniscientNihilist
What do you mean when you say that the mind is not separate from the environment? — TheHedoMinimalist
So, do beds and rain also not exist metaphysically under your view? — TheHedoMinimalist
“what should we pursue or avoid?” — TheHedoMinimalist
wouldn’t this imply that I spend 2 hours making that decision consciously? — TheHedoMinimalist
The words "goodness" and "badness" are troublesome here.
Your premise, more precisely put, reads: P4: The intrinsic pleasurefulness of pleasure and the intrinsic unpleasurefulness of suffering are observed within our inner subjective experiences and thus there is credible introspective empirical evidence that pleasure is intrinsically pleasureful and suffering is intrinsically unpleasureful.
Goodness and badness are judgments added to prima facie observations of pleasure and suffering. — ZzzoneiroCosm
I actually don’t particularly disagree with anything you said there. — TheHedoMinimalist
unpleasantness is a felt property of badness — TheHedoMinimalist
If we start from a place where we have no idea what's "really" good or bad, or if anything at all even is "really" good or bad, we can at least ask ourselves "what seems good or bad?" That seeming-good-or-bad just is hedonic experience, pleasure or enjoyment, suffering or pain. I like to call the faculties that produce such experiences "appetites — Pfhorrest
...likewise what initially seems good to our limited hedonic experience may later seem bad upon further experience, but since that seeming-good-or-bad is all we have to go on, we should build our picture of what's actually good out of increasingly in-depth examination of our hedonic experience, from many different perspectives and in many different circumstances. — Pfhorrest
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