I like the way ZhouBoTong talked about the “best” argument. A successful argument gets others to see something your way. — praxis
If they are irrelevant points to your position, it should be simple to point that out and shouldn't require any leg-work at all. Use the guidelines listed in the OP. Don't be lazy. Go about showing how it is irrelevant rather committing the very first logical fallacy - the ad hominem - by calling them a troll. — Harry Hindu
... often such questions are used in place of careful argument, and they are a poor substitution... they take up more space than it would take to simply state the point, and they lack the clarity and conviction of a good declarative statement.
No, it doesn't. It refers to getting-others-to-see-your-way-by-any-means signalling what makes a good argument vs. following-particular-structures-and-guidelines signalling a good argument. — Baden
I can't help but wonder about the word "best". Is the "best" argument the most logically/structurally sound, or the one that is most likely to convince the other side? — ZhouBoTong
the value of persuasion (rhetoric and appeals to emotion) should not be overlooked. — praxis
Obviously, logical fallacies could be a part of that. — Baden
It could do with a little more exemplification here and there, but I feel like it was an afternoon well-spent anyhow. — Baden
Logical Objections
Logical objections focus on the form of reasoning, which may include logical structure and implications either within a single reason (intra-consistency) or across several reasons (inter-consistency). Logical fallacies, of which there are many (a few of the more common ones are listed here) are typical objections in this sphere. — Baden
That is one thing I miss, the 1. formal structured debates and 2. commentary discussions. Along with the 3. short story competition and 4. guest speakers. Need to get in gear and get something done about all that. — Baden
How one should go about doing philosophy in general is a different topic. Maybe write an article on it. I'll give you three lines. — Baden
One line will do.
Look at how words are being used, and find a way to make them coherent. — Banno
There can be a very frustrating dynamic, for both people, when the posting styles mismatch. A long form commenter might get frustrated that the counterpoints are irrelevant, a short form commenter might get frustrated that they have to read so much irrelevant waffle. — fdrake
...guest speakers. Need to get in gear and get something done about all that. — Baden
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