Hi, Enrique. What book is that?This theory is drawn from a book that came out recently — Enrique
I'm not qualified to comment on the quantum physics of "fast triplets". But with my general understanding of the quantum realm, I still don't see the connection between "sensitivity of organic processes to the environment" and consciousness of those sensations. Navigating birds may use "triplets" to sense the magnetic field as a pulling force, but the question remains whether they are consciously aware of the field, or of its significance as a navigation aid. It could be like a horse going in the direction the bridle is pulled, without awareness of where or why the rider wants to go that way.It is also unclear how qualia with their subjectively experienced causal effects can exist at all in association with averred bare, traditional chemistry, resulting in a persistently advocated dichotomy of mind and matter in our modeling of the central nervous system. — Enrique
My own thesis of Enformationism postulates that raw information (energy), but not processed information (consciousness), is fundamental to the universe. Yet the transformation from meaningless pushes and pulls to meaningful ideas is still the "hard problem". All I can say is that the mental "process" may convert impersonal data into subjective significance, in the sense that the brain "computes" meaning from mathematics (data). The mechanics of that "act or process of enformation" are beyond me.to awareness as fundamental to the universe and matter nestled within it — Enrique
Aye. There's the rub. Terrance Deacon, in Incomplete Nature, also explores possible quantum effects -- as opposed to ordinary macro thermodynamics -- on the interpretation of "thingness" (tokens) into "aboutness" (meaning). But like me, he is left to guess about the details of that strange form of "causation". Imagining the universe and brain as quantum computers may be a step in the right direction, but there is still a dark "dichotomy" between objective reality and subjective experience. Whitehead's "prehension" may be somehow connected to "comprehension" via Entanglement, but I don't know how that would work in detail. So Consciousness remains a mystery, unless you assume that there is Entention behind Causation. Which is my solution. :cool:how qualia seem both supervenient and causal — Enrique
The brain computes, it sounds like a theory of systems, therefore, we return to the above, mechanistic reductionism. — armonie
That's because a mutation is, by definition, a random accident. There is no cause & effect mechanism. But, when you combine Mutation and Selection, you get the holistic systematic mechanism of Evolution. Randomness is not a thing, but a quality or property of a system.This is not always the case, biology, for example, I cannot explain through a theory of systems a genetic mutation or a structural dysymmetry. — armonie
I haven't read that book, but a couple of years ago, I read Quantum Evolution : LIfe In the Multiverse, by Johnjoe McFadden. It was more about big picture Evolution and Cosmology than about the details of Biology. In that book he asked a provocative question : " is there a force of will behind evolution?". And answered in the affirmative.The book is Life on the Edge, The Coming of Age of Quantum Biology. — Enrique
"Collapse of the wave function" is a graphic metaphor for Emergence Theory and Phase Transitions on the quantum level of reality. And both of those are involved in the transformation of a collection of parts into a whole with new properties of its own.Explain these collapse of the wave function shenanigans, seems key to understanding quantum theory... — Enrique
In a state of superposition, a virtual (potential) particle is essentially in chaos (nowhere, nowhen), but then it suddenly emerges from that unreal state with a measurable position and velocity -- like the Starship Enterprise emerging from hyperspace. Apparently, quantum particles are sprung like mousetraps by nosy scientists probing in the fog. Scary and spooky.unpredictable emergence (Gnomon)
Sounds like chaos. — armonie
Scientists have created mathematical models of chaotic systems, revealing internal structures and feedback loops. But these are "deterministic chaos" models, like weather patterns, wherein the outcome is predestined by the initial conditions. Although, in theory, they are predictable, the dynamics are so complex that, for all practical purposes, the system is a "black box". We can observe the initial conditions and the outcome, but what happens within is beyond our ability to calculate. So, for the time being, weather forecasters must make educated guesses beyond a week ahead. In other words, the uncertainty is far from negligible.I'm wondering, will it ever be possible to scientifically model chaos, would it look like negligible uncertainty in a particular probability distribution? — Enrique
I was just guessing, based on the common feature of Quantum Leaps and Phase Changes : sudden Emergence, apparently without intermediate steps. Classical Physics must assume the steps were taken, even though we can't observe them, and the time lapse seems to be instantaneous (light speed).A phase transition [at] macro scale [may] be similar to a quantum level phenomenon.
Oh, and this as? — armonie
This might allow us to fashion a working model of the mind/matter complex, whether it be biochemical "hardware" running EMF "software", or some multifarious variation on this theme. — Enrique
...the dynamics are so complex that, for all practical purposes, the system is a "black box". We can observe the initial conditions and the outcome, but what happens within is beyond our ability to calculate.
...we have to operationalize such folk psychology notions as "mind" and "qualia," making them into subjects of an empirical study. To this date, we seem to be nowhere near that goal, and it is not even clear that the goal is achievable.
I have constructed an unconventional personal worldview that is intended to explain the "causality of the observer" among many other issues making Quantum Theory hard to "wrap our minds around". But I hadn't intended to get into that, because I would have to define every other term in my "explanation". It's based on the concept that Information (EnFormAction) is the cause of everything in the world, including Energy and Matter. For those with a Materialist worldview, this Idealist philosophy will sound like nonsense.Seems the main stumbling block might be inability to wrap our minds around this "causality of the observer" effect. — Enrique
As I noted in my reply to Enrique, I didn't intend to get this thread off-track by introducing my personal cosmology into the discussion. All of my comments on this forum are coming from that unique perspective, and I have tried to explain bits & pieces of it. But Enformationism is a sort of 21st century update to ancient notions of Idealism and Panpsychism, and is intended to be an alternative to Pre-Quantum Materialism, and Pre-scientific Spiritualism. So, the whole system is more than the sum of bits & pieces.But a kind of chaos with potential cannot be eternal or infinite (here I don't quite understand what concept of infinity you mean). — armonie
The problem here is that Quantum "mechanics" is not mechanical. Quantum Leaps, Entanglement, & Superposition are not mechanical. So applying objective mechanical analogies to subjective metaphysical experience will get you nowhere. A different perspective will be necessary.a possible application of quantum mechanics in explaining subjective experience. — Enrique
The problem here is that Quantum "mechanics" is not mechanical. Quantum Leaps, Entanglement, & Superposition are not mechanical. So applying objective mechanical analogies to subjective metaphysical experience will get you nowhere.
My personal worldview, and my understanding of Consciousness, is based on the assumption that Information is indeed the foundation of the universe. But, it's not just me. A lot of physicists, and especially quantum physicists, have come to the same conclusion. One consequence of that axiom is that I began to give more credence to Plato's theory of Ideal Forms. But that doesn't mean that I have to abandon the materialistic notion of Realism. Instead, at the core of my thesis is the BothAnd Principle. Which grew out of the Quantum theory revelation that matter (substance) is made of energy (causation), and energy is made of Information. So, Information is Causation in both physical and metaphysical senses.If information isn't the foundation of our known universe already, it will become so, assuming theory, technology, and communal rationality can continue to progress. Very idealistic! — Enrique
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