If his god represents the absolute of the good and just, why does the bad and unjust exist? If his god was perfect, why would these opposing ideas exist? Is there an opposite God of evil? — One piece
Plato may have believed in Reincarnation, but probably not in Karma. However, there is a more modern assessment of the human condition, that includes an up-dated understanding of History, Physics, and Evolution. It's the notion that Good & Evil are inherent in the Thermodynamic duality of our temporal world. Every physical event in the world results from an exchange of energy from Hot to Cold. So that clash of opposites is inherent in every aspect of the universe, including psycho-social events. Physical Entropy is equivalent to Metaphysical Evil, and Negentropy (Enformy) is analogous to Good.This makes me think plato never completed his meditations which would have logically led him to the buddhist concept of the cycle of death and rebirth, where all of this good and bad are simply our own creations, which is a whole other discussion. — One piece
You cant really get people to talk about philosophy on martial art forums or anime forums, so here i am. — One piece
Nor is it easy to find people in this ignorant town i live in to have philosophical discussion with — One piece
If his god represents the absolute of the good and just, why does the bad and unjust exist? If his god was perfect, why would these opposing ideas exist? Is there an opposite God of evil? — One piece
It's the notion that Good & Evil are inherent in the Thermodynamic duality of our temporal world. — Gnomon
You're putting words in my mouth. :grin:My goodness. So you say that P=V*T is an evil, while V=P/T is goodness? — god must be atheist
No.Are you saying that the preservation of momentum is actually really evil, while the preservation of energy is goodness itself? — god must be atheist
I just got done with my second reading of the republic. Anyways, plato mainly speaks of the ideals under the absolute of "good" and that they lead to a perfectly, united-absolute-oneness which he calls God. When he touches on their opposites he only goes so far as to show, essentially, the negative effects they have on your soul, not necessarily where those ideas lead-besides reincarnations into a more unreasonable state; Or why they even exist in opposition to the ideals.
If his god represents the absolute of the good and just, why does the bad and unjust exist? If his god was perfect, why would these opposing ideas exist? Is there an opposite God of evil?
This makes me think plato never completed his meditations which would have logically led him to the buddhist concept of the cycle of death and rebirth, where all of this good and bad are simply our own creations, which is a whole other discussion. — One piece
Also I would be very careful saying that Plato himself identified 'the Good' as God. That was very much the invention of the later Greek-speaking theologians who sought to reconcile Plato and Christianity. it was natural for them to say 'ah, Plato meant God', but Plato himself obviously never had a say in that. — Wayfarer
(My translation from German into English)With that, however, the sense of the exclamation at the height of the Republic is inverted from the end: It is not the One which is invoked with the vocative “Apollo”, but rather Apollo himself as living acting god. He is no metaphor for the One; rather, the One has to be understood as god image of Apollo.
If his god represents the absolute of the good and just, why does the bad and unjust exist? If his god was perfect, why would these opposing ideas exist? Is there an opposite God of evil?
This makes me think plato never completed his meditations — One piece
Hello, first thread here. You cant really get people to talk about philosophy on martial art forums or anime forums, so here i am. Nor is it easy to find people in this ignorant town i live in to have philosophical discussion.
Anyways, I just got done with my second reading of the republic. Anyways, plato mainly speaks of the ideals under the absolute of "good" and that they lead to a perfectly, united-absolute-oneness which he calls God. When he touches on their opposites he only goes so far as to show, essentially, the negative effects they have on your soul, not necessarily where those ideas lead-besides reincarnations into a more unreasonable state; Or why they even exist in opposition to the ideals.
If his god represents the absolute of the good and just, why does the bad and unjust exist? If his god was perfect, why would these opposing ideas exist? Is there an opposite God of evil?
This makes me think plato never completed his meditations which would have logically led him to the buddhist concept of the cycle of death and rebirth, where all of this good and bad are simply our own creations, which is a whole other discussion. — One piece
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