I think that the universe simply popped into existence. Talking about what was before the universe is then meaningless and an object can only exist within the universe and the universe is all there is and will be. — StarsFromMemory
all events must have a cause. Is that statement true or false? Is that statement an axiom for scientific discovery? Why should you care to explore its tenants? Why are we even discussing it? Why are you wondering about it? — 3017amen
all events must have a cause. Is that statement true or false? — 3017amen
Why are we even discussing it? Why are you wondering about it? — 3017amen
why does mathematical abstracts exist when they are not needed to survive in the jungle? — 3017amen
Or to making perhaps more lucid, what event caused mathematical truths to come into existence through consciousness? — 3017amen
And so you are telling me that you don't know why you have a sense of wonderment, correct? — 3017amen
The need to express reality in precise and predictable terms led humans to derive the entireity of maths — StarsFromMemory
True, I don't know why I have a sense of wonderment. However, that only indicates the limit of my intelligence and knowledge. — StarsFromMemory
Then I said that the development of maths naturally followed even when it gave no advantage. All that was needed was intelligence and basic math concept and the rest developed on its own, fuelled by lets just say curiosity? — StarsFromMemory
f your answer is the former, then there is no need, as you are suggesting, no? — 3017amen
Then you really can't explain the nature of that metaphysical feature of conscious existence, correct? — 3017amen
Ok, I see you can't answer those basic existential features of our consciousness.
Let's turn then to metaphysics. Does that exist? — 3017amen
what metaphysical feature of consciousness are you talking about? — StarsFromMemory
Yes. Since the Big Bang theory indicates that our universe is not eternal, there must be "something" outside of space-time with the power to create new worlds. Materialists simply assume "turtles all the way down" with their Multiverse hypothesis, for which there is no empirical evidence. But, based on the ubiquity of Information --- the "substance" of energy, matter, & mind --- in every aspect of the real world, I assume that the hypothetical Source or Creator must be an Enformer, in the sense of possessing the potential for converting Platonic Forms (ideas, concepts, designs) into real, material, objects. The "energy source" is what I call EnFormAction. I won't go into more detail here, but the notion of Intelligent Evolution (guided by Information and motivated by EnFormAction) has been explored in my blog for several years.Does your theory then consider an eternal Creator existing outside of time (eternity), be one in the same energy source as a self contained universe that has neither beginning nor end, similar to Spinoza's pantheism? — 3017amen
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