The argument of " healthcare services have been stripped to the bone and the scraps sold to the highest bidder" might hold true in one national example, but to argue that ALL NATIONS have gone this route is false. — ssu
I'm not happy about a virus. I'm also not overly worried. People should relax, newsmedia should stop scaring old people, and the experts should just do their thing.
Maybe it's just worse due to the vacation? — frank
Apparently, 'human nature' is a COVID-19 risk-factor. — 180 Proof
There are rumours going around the UK that the government is secretly happy that many thousands of old people will die, saving a great deal of expenditure in health and social care, as a vast social care crisis was looming before Covid, due to a population with to many old people. — Punshhh
I hear you, but I'm not so confident that they engage in any joined up thinking. — Punshhh
I have to say one things I've noticed in all of the 'freedom at all costs' apologetic replies...
... 'existential crisis' has really been dumbed down in the past few years.
'Give me convenience even if it gives them death'. — Mayor of Simpleton
Likely the countries that score the highest points in various studies with the public health sector.Really? What nation did you have in mind whose health service is run primarily with the health of the nation in mind, without demands of greater efficiency being laid on it to either increase profits or reduce government expenditure, whose health industry is not suffuse with influence from multi-national pharmaceutical companies? I may well like to move there. — Isaac
btw... the vacationers were not just younger people at beaches. The elderly have taken up the charge to 'spread the good word' by bus vacations as usual. It's a collective failure. — Mayor of Simpleton
Likely the countries that score the highest points in various studies with the public health sector.
Japan for example has a quite well performing health care sector and it has scored in many investigation top places with it's health care sector compared to others. And it's doing just fine with the pandemic — ssu
Thank you for helping me understand :up:I think from contact to symptoms is around 5-7 days. In the hospital we stop treating infected people as if they're contagious after 21 days (though I think the real number is around 14 days). — frank
This is just like 100% wrong. — frank
Lot of that going around. Do they have a vaccine for it?? — Hippyhead
That's your first false idea, as if I'm promoting a short timescale answer. Or that just throwing money to everything is an answer. Believe me, the US is a prime example of how that goes and that with higher costs you don't always get better health care. The fact is that better health care systems do have positive outcomes, but if a pandemic breaks out, likely the best system and the best policy actions just minimize the deaths.That doesn't have any bearing on the point I'm making. There are key components of a healthcare system which cannot be bought in a short timescale no matter how much money you throw at them. — Isaac
I feel as though the most defining victim of this infamous pandemic, aside from its egregious death toll, has been the socioeconomic mobility developing economies were characterized by prior to it emerging. Incomes have been either erased or diminished, and will not be recouped in entirety for several agrarian and industrial sectors around the world for at least 5 to 6 years. — Aryamoy Mitra
Adjusted for population, Europe has twice as many people hospitalized for covid19 than the US. If you get the NYT, it's here. — frank
Wtf? Is it that the US is just behind due to weather? I actually don't know of any reason for this that makes sense. — frank
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