But why do you focus on female fertility when male fertility is so much easier to control? — unenlightened
Why do you think SOME people should procreate in the first place? — schopenhauer1
It will not work the way you are suggesting it. There would be revolt. — SonOfAGun
I'd rather it was their own decision though than that of some fuckwitted philosopher or politician. — unenlightened
Those are very interesting questions, and exactly the type of questions that should be asked when educating people on procreation. However, one must appreciate that people may come to different answers than you. — Tzeentch
Why would there be revolt? Do you think people would find it an unacceptable curtailment of their freedom? — unenlightened
Why is it acceptable for women but not men? — unenlightened
↪SonOfAGun So you're suggesting to swap one immoral policy for another, which is possibly even worse? I think I've already made clear that I'm not in favor of that. — Tzeentch
However, you realize the irony that this particular decision affects a WHOLE other person's life (literally, in the strongest most literal way possible). That is almost a Catch-22. — schopenhauer1
No I do not find it to be acceptable, but I am also not faced with mass food shortages and starvation. — SonOfAGun
As I have already said, it has nothing to do with what "I" want to be done, only what is likely to be done and acceptable. — SonOfAGun
No. you are proposing , not predicting. And you are being disingenuous and irresponsible. You have been exposed. — unenlightened
It's far more serious than that. There are potentially uncountable generations of future off-spring, one of whom might be the fuckwit politician that sterilises the planet. But there is no escape from the responsibility, because not procreating can deprive the world of that planet sterilising fuckwit, and result in a thousand more generations of suffering humanity. Life is a risky business. — unenlightened
Survival of the fittest has always been the way. I don't see any reason to change that. Those who can afford to feed their children will be granted licenses. — SonOfAGun
For one that assumes money is available as a metric in the scenario we're talking about. You seem to be assuming a capitalist system here, but in a situation of strictly limited resources that's hardly a given.
But given that, such a system would mean that every generation, the poor people die out, leaving only the rich families. That means for those left over, there is only one way to go on the economic ladder - down. That means everyone rich who decides to procreate will be hell bent on ensuring the status quo remains unchanged. It's not hard to imagine all the ways in which this could go horribly wrong. — Echarmion
We can prevent it full stop. — schopenhauer1
No we cannot. You can maintain your personal innocence, that's all. Whatever bad happens won't happen to your descendants, if you don't have any. — unenlightened
For one that assumes money is available as a metric in the scenario we're talking about. You seem to be assuming a capitalist system here, but in a situation of strictly limited resources that's hardly a given. — Echarmion
But given that, such a system would mean that every generation, the poor people die out, leaving only the rich families. That means for those left over, there is only one way to go on the economic ladder - down. That means everyone rich who decides to procreate will be hell bent on ensuring the status quo remains unchanged. It's not hard to imagine all the ways in which this could go horribly wrong. — Echarmion
You do not need only the rich to have children, just the poor not to, there is plenty of middle ground there. — SonOfAGun
Why should anyone have children? It is all Draconian- making decisions on others behalf. If you say because some hypothetical "majority" like it.. I will have words. — schopenhauer1
I said "your descendants" you said "the next generation". My children are one thing, my sister's and cousin's children are another. — unenlightened
talk to me again when you and everyone you know are starving to death. — SonOfAGun
The descendants lives are spared any suffering by not being born. The people who are living have to deal with it, not use people, and break the very cycle of suffering they themselves are dealing with by being born themselves. — schopenhauer1
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