Common sense is over rated. The only reason anyone would say that anything non-trivial is common sense is because they cannot or will not justify it for other reasons. People appealing to common sense usually do so regarding matters where evidence and careful argument is mandatory. "Geopolitics, only common sense!", "Economics, only common sense!", "The mind, it's common sense!". It's usually just another way to avoid providing evidence or argument and to mock whoever or whatever you disagree with. A "salt of the earth" version of self evidence. — fdrake
You quoted my response to you and compared it to another's response to you. In doing so, you managed to completely avoid what we were talking about. — creativesoul
Is there a tried and true universally applicable method of determining for ourselves what's best to believe regarding the subject matter? — creativesoul
Presumably "common sense" denotes a certain type of knowledge that can be qualified and quantified. Something akin to our prejudicative grasp of background knowledge maybe? Probably we all lie somewhere on a spectrum of accuracy with respect to this. — Pantagruel
Descartes' quote which you posted a couple of rows above suggests Descartes had a very high opinion of common sense which leads me to believe he equated it to what these days we call critical thinking. — TheMadFool
Descartes is acknowledging that there is a universal tendency to believe that one is possessed of common sense, but the fact that no one "desires more" than they already have implies that this is can also be a huge "blind spot." — Pantagruel
This is a strange response considering it's the TLDR version of 's post and you said,Logic presupposes truth. — creativesoul
Ah drake...
That deserves permanent preservation!
Brilliant. Beautiful. Clear. Concise. Germane. Practical.
The agreement resonated within while reading. Literally... a visceral affect/effect.
Thank you. My respect for you has just increased exponentially. — creativesoul
Even by doubting the laws of logic, you’ve affirmed them, as thinking that something “might be false” presupposes that there’s such a thing as “true” and “false” in the first place. — Harry Hindu
I mean, you entire post presupposes some truth.logic is presupposed by every sentence and every thought. — Harry Hindu
f you're asking if I think that there is any kind of logic that isn't presupposed by every sentence and every thought, then no.
If you are asking if I think that there is any logic that doesn't presuppose that there is such a thing as true and false, then no. — Harry Hindu
Thus the answer, without discussion, "Logic." partakes of this authoritarian attitude. One might suppose that reputable logicians have never been known to disagree. Yet we surely know that this is not the case, and so the word becomes nothing more than a stick to beat one with. — unenlightened
Does this statement presuppose some truth about what you think, and that you think?I think dialectical logic transcends the simple true-false dyad of traditional logic. — Pantagruel
And so we find ourselves arguing about the length of the stick and who has the better grasp on it. And the original question is quite forgotten. — unenlightened
Does this statement presuppose some truth about what you think, and that you think? — Harry Hindu
Of course it is. It is about what you think:The statement is not about me, it is about dialectical logic. You are conflating the reference of the statement with its origin. Smacks of the genetic fallacy. Dialectical logic can be many-valued. — Pantagruel
It even presupposes that thinking exists and that you think things.I think dialectical logic transcends the simple true-false dyad of traditional logic. — Pantagruel
Logic, like any other process, puts out what you put in. If you put in false premises, you will get false conclusions.Thus the answer, without discussion, "Logic." partakes of this authoritarian attitude. One might suppose that reputable logicians have never been known to disagree. Yet we surely know that this is not the case, and so the word becomes nothing more than a stick to beat one with. — unenlightened
If you are asking if I think that there is any logic that doesn't presuppose that there is such a thing as true and false, then no. — Harry Hindu
The law of non-contradicton.What laws does the logic you're talking about follow? — fdrake
Even if we allow that it is trivially true that my statement is really my statement, — Pantagruel
Just read the first sentence in the link you provided. It presupposes some truth.Even if we allow that it is trivially true that my statement is really my statement, you asked merely if there was any logic that doesn't presuppose true and false. I merely pointed out that dialectical logic transcends the true-false simpliciter dyad. I'm prepared to acknowledge that it is always true that I have made any statement I have made. Are you prepared to expand the concept of modal logic beyond the scope of true and false? — Pantagruel
The topic we are supposed to be talking about isn't a political one. You might want to remove those politically partisan glasses you have on.I would like to suggest to you, in relation to the topic we are supposed to be discussing, that this conflict cannot be resolved, because no genuine communication is taking place. You might as well argue with Trump, because you are a a very bad person, and very illogical, and you are dealing with a very stable genius. — unenlightened
The topic we are supposed to be talking about isn't a political one. — Harry Hindu
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