any choice is either conservative or progressive — Syamsu
The spiritual is defined as what did this job of making the choice turn out A.
It can only be identified with a chosen opinion. That is, choose an opinion that a choice was made out of fear, joy, etc. — Syamsu
You should focus on the logic of it. — Syamsu
It doesn't fucking matter what to call it, it's about the logic. — Syamsu
You want to give the words supernatural and subconscious the logic that it is agency of choices, and it can only be identified with a chosen opinion, go ahead. — Syamsu
Having alternative futures available, making of them the present, and then what the agency of the choice is, is a matter of chosen opinion. — Syamsu
One's agency is one's independent capability or ability to act on one's will. This ability is affected by the cognitive belief structure which one has formed through one's experiences, and the perceptions held by the society and the individual, of the structures and circumstances of the environment one is in and the position they are born into. — Wiki
That is to say, that basically any choice is either conservative or progressive, to keep things as they are, or to actualize a possibility. — Syamsu
It seems that you might be operating in a framework of meliorism, which is definitely my own orientation. — Pantagruel
The world is getting along just fine, actually much better without us humans right now so I think that is sort of a nonsensical idea. — Sir2u
Why would you eliminate humanity from the equation? — Pantagruel
The human species is as much a part of the world (universe) as everything else, and so deserves the benefit of melioration. — Pantagruel
Unless you are an anti-meliorist. — Pantagruel
You are exploiting the complexity of people's decisionmaking processes to argue for ignorance on how decisionmaking works. — Syamsu
I mean you don't offer a competing understanding, instead you just set out to make a conceptual mess. Probably in order to avoid dealing with emotions, because that is a common theme. — Syamsu
The spirit in this case are the emotions, the appreciation for eating the hotdog and burger. — Syamsu
Having either neither or both would be conservative and choosing one or the other would be progressive? — Outlander
Help me out here, OP. :razz: — Outlander
Conservative is to leave things as they are, and progressive is to change things. — Syamsu
The world universe does not need us to be here. Why would anyone think that anything we do would make the place better. — Sir2u
An opinion that a painting is beautiful is formed by spontaneous expression of emotion with free will. To choose the opinion that the painting is ugly, would be equally logically valid. To be forced to say the painting is beautiful, provides an invalid opinion. — Syamsu
This appears circular, although I can't really tell, because it is so confusing.No, the correct explanation of free will is, having alternative futures available, one is made the present, what the agency is, is a matter of chosen opinion. — Syamsu
Seems like what you do is determined by what you will, but what determines what you will?I will...I do. — Pantagruel
Am I understanding that Syamsu's explanation is that spirits determine what you will?It is therefore proven that there is a spiritual domain, constituting the agency of choices, from which is decided how the material domain ends up. — Syamsu
As I said, the human race is as much a part of the universe as anything else, so your premise, or rather, your objection to my premise, is flawed. — Pantagruel
Mother Nature will take care of fixing herself — Sir2u
Speaking personally, I feel that global recognition of this fact is the key to a brighter future. — Pantagruel
And there is the key question. A brighter future for whom or what? — Sir2u
It's just the difference between optimism and pessimism really, isn't it? — Pantagruel
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