"To make any advance in philosophical understanding requires subjecting one's thoughts to the harshest possible criticism. I like sushi is providing this sort of value to you for free; there exists no onus to bundle that value with other kinds such as encouragement or accolades.
— Boethius "
I agree in theory, but in the real world the "harshest possible criticism" typically triggers ego storms which derail the investigation. And then there's this...
If you present an effective challenge to some viewpoint in "harshest possible criticism" mode you are giving the target an escape hatch. When the challenge becomes too much for the target to bear they can change the subject to you, derail the thread with all kinds of emotionalisms, get you banned and so on. If present your challenge in a scrupulously polite manner, this avenue of escape is closed off.
So if you want to be kind, act like a jerk. :-) — Nuke
Yet it is easier to put up with an ignorant man who declares that theory is unnecessary and dispensable in his supposed practice than with a would-be expert who concedes it and its value in schools (perhaps only to exercise the mind) but at the same time maintains that matters are quite different in practice; that when one goes from school into the world one becomes aware that one has been pursuing empty ideals and philosophic dreams; in short, that what sounds good in theory has no validity for practice. (This is often expressed as, this or that proposition does indeed hold in thesi, but not in hypothesi.) Now if an empirical engineer tried to disparage general mechanics, or an artilleryman the mathematical doctrine of ballistics, by saying that whereas the theory of it is nicely thought out it is not valid in practice since, when it comes to application, experience yields quite different results than theory, one would merely laugh at him (for, if the theory of friction were added to the first and the theory of the resistance of air to the second, hence if only still more theory were added, these would accord very well with experience).
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This maxim, which has become very common in our times, so full of talk and empty of deeds, does the greatest harm when it has to do with something moral (duties of virtue or duties of right). For here it is a matter of the canon of reason (in the practical), where the worth of practice rests entirely on its conformity with the theory underlying it, and all is lost if the empirical and hence contingent conditions of carrying out the law are made conditions of the law itself, so that a practice calculated with reference to an outcome probable in accordance with previous experience is given authority to control a self-sufficient theory.
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I divide this treatise according to the three different standpoints from which the worthy gentielman' who so boldly disparages theories and systems usually appraises his objects, and so in his three capacities i) as A private individual who is still a man of affairs, 2) as a statesman, 3) as a man of the world (or citizen of the world generally). These three persons are at one in attacking the academic, who works on theory on behalf of them all and for their benefit; since they fancy that they understand matters better than he, they seek to banish him to his school (ilia se iaäet in aula!),' as a scholar who, spoiled for practice, only stands in the way of their experienced wisdom. — Kant
I never said I had the truth. Read more carefully if understanding is a goal of yours. — boethius
But, when I have the luxury to check if what I believe is true, then harsh criticism is the only method I have found that yields any advancement. — boethius
I am curious, however, would you say Kant's criticism I cited wasn't harsh? But that he puts on the kitten gloves; please point out where? If he is harsh, and right, why not emulate him? If he's wrong, where is he wrong? — boethius
I am curious, however, would you say Kant's criticism I cited wasn't harsh? But that he puts on the kitten gloves; please point out where? If he is harsh, and right, why not emulate him? If he's wrong, where is he wrong?
Please, teach me. — boethius
Kant harsh? Someone does not know what "harsh" means.
Just for a point of reference:
"harsh
/härSH/
adjective
1.
unpleasantly rough or jarring to the senses.
2.
cruel or severe.
3.
excessively critical or negative." — tim wood
1.
unpleasantly rough or jarring to the senses.
"drenched in a harsh white neon light"
2.
cruel or severe.
"a time of harsh military discipline"
(of a climate or conditions) difficult to survive in; hostile.
"the harsh environment of the desert"
(of reality or a fact) grim and unpalatable.
"the harsh realities of the world news"
having an undesirably strong effect.
"she finds soap too harsh and drying" — google definition
Now if an empirical engineer tried to disparage general mechanics, or an artilleryman the mathematical doctrine of ballistics, by saying that whereas the theory of it is nicely thought out it is not valid in practice since, when it comes to application, experience yields quite different results than theory, one would merely laugh at him — Kant
Yet it is easier to put up with an ignorant man who declares that theory is unnecessary and dispensable in his supposed practice than with a would-be expert who concedes it and its value in schools (perhaps only to exercise the mind) but at the same time maintains that matters are quite different in practice — Kant
Harsh
1.
[...] Opposite: soft, dulcet, subdued
2.
[...] Opposite: enlightened, kind, lenient, comfortable
[...] Opposite: balmy
[...] Opposite: mild smooth — "google
Someone does not know what "harsh" means. — tim wood
Harsh, if you will, though it's not the word I would choose. But as he describes the subject of his criticism, such a person would not be interested in his efforts, assuming it is not indeed an entirely straw- subject.
"To all the people ignoring me, you are wrong to ignore me." It is close to a performative contradiction to address 'the worthy gentleman' who is not interested. And Kant avoids that. One is left therefore with the backhanded compliment that flatters the actual reader who is 'not like them'. — unenlightened
Well then, may all of your experiences be harsh. Of course not the Kantian kind, that's not harsh. As to your understanding of the psychology of the thing, that's equally bizarre. At the very least, harshness is a kind of noise that detracts or impairs or inhibits. That is, the only thing harshness facilitates is harshness. And btw, harshness not to be confused with all the things in the world that are not harsh nor harshness. — tim wood
And why would I confuse harsh with things in the world that are not harsh? — boethius
Have you even bothered reading my posts here? — boethius
A handful of privileged intellectuals in each generation take on the task to oppose evil with words so that the havenots can make opposition with actions, rather than simply maintaining and enjoying their privilege; for a revolution of language and argument precedes every revolution of political relations, and this is the only relevance of philosophy beyond entertaining parlor talk games; I rather try to take on that task than live in fear of the lightening strikes from high society and be deafened into silence from the thundering ruffling of feathers. — boethius
The forum has value because the harshest possible criticism people here can craft is both allowed and encouraged. Now, why not even harsher such as insults? Because insults are not harsh criticism, but the flailing about of a weak mind that no one with an ounce of wisdom needs strain their own faculties to meet. — boethius
Harsh critique does not persuade those that aren't interested, or are mildly interested; the objective of harsh critique is to try to actually get to the truth; it is of interest only to those actually willing to do what it takes to get more truth than they currently have.
When PhD's submit their dissertation, the ideas is not only that it is critiqued harshly, so that there is some basis to assume it has merit (if it withstands harsh critique) but that the PhD student, so motivated by the truth, is able to accept and process harsh criticism (for instance, to then address that harsh criticism before the final submission). The critical method is a harsh process, not a soft process. — boethius
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