When you think about it, so much of reality is bundle-like in the sense that there isn’t “a watch” that is comprised of various elements. Rather, those various elements constitute the watch.
“”I” is a verb disguised as a noun” — Mike5
He writes that the idea that “person” is a functional category, and in a sense constructed by the interaction of memories (psychological connectedness, and continuity), bodies, society, that appears unified. However there is no “subject” — Mike5
This is more a subject for Zen meditation. There one learns, or experiences one's "I" as a fabrication. Instead of "I am aware" there is only awareness. An instant of realization is worth more than a lifetime of philosophical dialogue. — jgill
Ironic, you deny the individual while presupposing it. Who’s this “one” who learns or has experiences, if not the individual person or subject?There one learns, or experiences — jgill
So I would say that the self is an idea, a thought around which all thought becomes organised, that becomes all important. I call this process of thought 'identification.' Starting like this is has the advantage that it is clear from the beginning that we are not talking about the physicality of the human being, but of the construction of an image in the mind. Now I can say very simply that I, unenlightened, am writing this post, having these thoughts and pressing these keys, but that all these things can perfectly well happen, and happen even rather better, without the idea of myself intruding at all. — unenlightened
This is more a subject for Zen meditation. There one learns, or experiences one's "I" as a fabrication. Instead of "I am aware" there is only awareness. An instant of realization is worth more than a lifetime of philosophical dialogue.
— jgill
I think you ought to mean a life time of practice is worth more than an instant of realization. :P Especially if there is "nothing" to realize. — Nils Loc
The whole reason we imagine the self is to ensure its continuity. — Nils Loc
This is more a subject for Zen meditation. There one learns, or experiences one's "I" as a fabrication. Instead of "I am aware" there is only awareness. — jgill
Ironic, you deny the individual while presupposing it. Who’s this “one” who learns or has experiences, if not the individual person or subject? — aRealidealist
In virtue of what are those properties bundled? — GodlessGirl
All the philosophical banter about self has little if any impact and probably pales beside the dramatic shift of perspective Zen provides. — jgill
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