I oppose abortion, and any woman interested to have it is free to have it with whoever agrees to it, but the government has no right to take my money and use it to fund abortions. — Agustino
Depends what "healthcare" means. Abortion isn't healthcare, unless the woman's life is threatened.Are you opposed to government subsidized healthcare for those less fortunate? — creativesoul
I think it's a fact that all are free to choose, rather you might mean that their freedom to choose should be protected. — Agustino
I don't read the newspapers with regards to the US. My opinion about Trump is based mostly on primary sources alone — Agustino
There's something to be said about folk who wield power over others that they do not value and/or care about. — creativesoul
I find it common for those who oppose abortion to also oppose public assistance for those in less fortunate socio-economic circumstances. — creativesoul
If such people are in power, then they are making a woman have a child from an otherwise unwanted pregnancy — creativesoul
and refusing to provide public assistance for those women — creativesoul
many of whom would have chosen to terminate the pregnancy largely due to financial reasons — creativesoul
including the quality of life that they want their child to have). — creativesoul
So, if those opposed are placing the unborn child's interests into the forefront as the reason for opposing abortion, and deny public assistance(what's necessary to ensure the child has the best life possible), then they are - in essence - creating a situation which is not in the child's best interest. — creativesoul
Where's the rational moral standard in all this? — creativesoul
No, not necessarily.Are you opposed to subsidized healthcare? — creativesoul
It's not "many many many" who have it out of economic reasons. About 30% according to some statistics I've read. About 2-5% are the rape/incest cases. The rest are for other reasons such as "not ready to have a child" (then why the hell are you having unprotected sex? You're ready for sex but not for a child?!), "child will not allow me to have a career", etc.If such people are in power, then they are making a woman have a child from an otherwise unwanted pregnancy, and refusing to provide public assistance for those women, many many of whom would have chosen to terminate the pregnancy largely due to financial reasons(including the quality of life that they want their child to have). — creativesoul
Well yes if she wants to have that abortion with my money, I think I have full rights to tell her what to do with her body. Also, she shouldn't be able to force a doctor to give her an abortion. That would be to tell the doctor what to do with his medical skills, which is wrong.Yet another person who wants to tell a woman what to do with her own body... — creativesoul
None are free to coerce.Is your point that we need not protect freedom of choice where possible? That is, is it your view that while all are free to choose, some are also free to coerce? — Banno
Am I responsible for her stupidity? No. She should pay for it. But if she really can't, then I'm not opposed to help her.How do you feel about paying for some of the results of unwanted pregnancies that are not aborted, such as welfare programs, correctional facilities, and other costs to society associated with cycles of poverty? — praxis
:s - I haven't become unknowingly implanted with internet memes - Lying Hillary isn't an internet meme, Donald Trump said it at his rallies. If you stopped reading only the New York Times summary of the rallies, and actually watched them, you may have known this.That explains why you're so uninformed and opinionated. You never quote or refer to any sources whatever. I suspect your 'primary sources' are nothing more than your feelings and projections with no regards for facts. This is why I think that you have actually become unknowingly implanted with Internet memes ('Lying Hillary'), which you repeat ad nauseam with no justification or reference. You've become a bot ;-) — Wayfarer
It is really beyond reason that a spiritual person can consider democracy - the rule of the stupid masses - where rulers are temporary, and not in fact rulers at all, but rather thieves and abusers - as an acceptable system of government. Democracy is a disease, which very likely is close to the root of the loss of spiritual values. Democracy - whatsoever is immoral is the product of democracy. Debauchery is a very democratic affair afterall - it is indeed somewhat difficult to imagine a non-democratic man in a night club. — Agustino
Freedom of choice is a fact of human nature. Some freedoms you ought to protect and others you ought to discourage. For example, you ought not to protect the freedom to choose murder. But yes, in general we ought to protect the freedom to choose so long as that freedom to choose doesn't negatively impact others.So you agree that we ought protect the freedom to choose? — Banno
Yet another person who wants to tell a woman what to do with her own body...
Amazing. — creativesoul
If I understand you correctly, I agree, but that is not an institutionalised form of democracy, but rather pure cooperation arising naturally between the members of one community.In my experience (local) democracy is almost the only method to ensure social cooperation at the local level. — Benkei
Precisely, democracy fails as a system, it's a bad political system.But we are individuals and we do live in a society and we're having a hard time reconciling the two at a national level. — Benkei
I can agree with this, so long as you'll agree not to force any doctors to give her an abortion if they don't want to, nor to force me as the taxpayer to finance her abortion. These things should arise naturally in the community. If her community doesn't approve of abortions, such that she cannot find a doctor willing to perform it, then she should take this into consideration in her behavior. The government should not force people to perform these services.So if I'm going to write a law on this, I'll make sure the woman cannot be forced to keep the baby if she doesn't want to. — Benkei
Well I think the baby's life is most deeply affected by her decision, but the problem arises precisely because the baby is not in a capacity to speak or make decisions that is the problem.To me, the abortion issue is ultimately a decision of the woman, because it's her body and her life that is most deeply affected. — Benkei
But is being on friendly terms with others what is required to get things done? I dare say that at the highest levels of politics, most people there can be manipulated based on their own selfish desires and greed, such that even if they don't like you, you can get them to do what you want so long as you dangle the carrot.Since this is about Trump; from where I'm standing (in the Netherlands) he looks completely ineffectual. He's irritated and annoyed so many people everywhere, he won't be able to get anything done. Inept. — Benkei
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