I don't even know what we're talking about anymore because you before said you didn't want to call just any desirable attribute a privilege but now you are calling the lack of an undesirable attribute a privilege and so I assume anything goes now. — Judaka
I think Asif is right in saying that you are in a sense by asking intelligent people to view their intelligence as an unearned advantage, you are asking for things like guilt and shame. — Judaka
And if someone did receive a huge advantage and now they're proud of a good placing, what a prick. Of course, you did well, you have all these unearned advantages. — Judaka
Dating, for example, I am sympathetic here because it is inherently competitive and being attractive is an advantage, period. Your characterisation seems apt here, you are not creating competition, it already existed. — Judaka
Let me briefly touch on your suggestion of "lucky", this is not something I would give you grief over but you have to see how different this is compared to "unearned advantage". There is no competition, there is no hierarchy, there is only gratitude, it is a very positive perspective and I can't really find fault in it. — Judaka
All you have done so far is respond to my critique of white privilege by reiterating that black people have been/are unfairly treated and asking me whether black lives matter. — Judaka
Or you might deny the obvious, or claim it unimportant, belittle those affected, distance yourself from responsibility, twist it so that it becomes about you, bury it in arguments about other things, put up more walls and barriers so that you don't feel uncomfortable. — Banno
Being able to use stairs is a privilege. - interpretation
Why do we build stairs instead of ramps? Well, they are cheaper, they take up less space. They are convenient. - fact
Stairs were not invented in order to exclude folk. But it is what happened. - fact
So how will you react to this? Seems to me that you have a choice. - narrative
You might simply acknowledge that stairs prevent some folk from doing things that you do. - fact
Or you might deny the obvious, or claim it unimportant, belittle those affected, distance yourself from responsibility, twist it so that it becomes about you, bury it in arguments about other things, put up more walls and barriers so that you don't feel uncomfortable. - narrative
It's up to you. — Banno
Being able to use stairs is a privilege. - interpretation — Banno
The "obvious" privilege which is not a fact, being denied, makes you just this terrible, selfish, bigoted person. — Judaka
It is my characterisation of what you have said, which I think is defensible. I don't know why you are trying to play dumb. Belittling people, twisting the misfortune of others so it "becomes about you", those are nasty things Banno, you knew that, that's why you said them.That's not something I have said. — Banno
You might be; talking about employment; that you can ignore issues apart from those you list is your privilege. You get to pretend that the stairs are not the issue.
Others are not so fortunate.
The point here cuts to the bullshit of the OP. You will not recognise your privilege; it must be pointed out by those who do not share it. — Banno
Seems to me as folk won't listen to the other. — Banno
Someone... not sure who it was now... made the observation that so many of these discussions come down to trying to convince someone that they should care for someone else. — Banno
Case in point. — Banno
You might simply acknowledge that stairs prevent some folk from doing things that you do.
Or you might deny the obvious, or claim it unimportant, belittle those affected, distance yourself from responsibility, twist it so that it becomes about you, bury it in arguments about other things, put up more walls and barriers so that you don't feel uncomfortable.
It's up to you. — Banno
Curious, that "privilege' is such a trigger for some. — Banno
I had not noticed this in your writing. I appreciate your saying so.I have acknowledged economic inequality, the existence of systemic racism, the statistics which show inequity between the races, that some disabled people can't use stairs, I have already acknowledged this aspect of privilege. — Judaka
The ideology is so identity-orientated, it's so prejudicial, it's so angry and hostile. — Judaka
We agree that some folk have an advantage, but you are objecting to the use of the word privilege here; that you see this word as part of a framing of the various problems that is itself problematic: — Banno
The anger and hostility felt, say, by marginalised Blacks, will not be removed by re-framing the question — Banno
An ungracious reply might suggest that the solution necessitates those who are better off to "suck it up".The ideal framing would challenge the injustices where it hurts — Judaka
...I do not wish to conflate interpretations and narratives with facts. — Judaka
There is basically no step in the process of ending the advantages that you are talking about that fits anything like the description of "recognising your privilege". — Judaka
Why do we build stairs instead of ramps? Well, they are cheaper, they take up less space. They are convenient.
Stairs were not invented in order to exclude folk. But it is what happened.
So how will you react to this? Seems to me that you have a choice.
You might simply acknowledge that stairs prevent some folk from doing things that you do.
Or you might deny the obvious, or claim it unimportant, belittle those affected, distance yourself from responsibility, twist it so that it becomes about you, bury it in arguments about other things, put up more walls and barriers so that you don't feel uncomfortable.
It's up to you. — Banno
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