A materialist, fool!, apparently maintain that ideas are material, that all that is, is material. Which. I. Have. Made. Clear. Is. Not. What. I. Think. Get your terms straight! — tim wood
I claim there are things like bricks in the world, and things like ideas. Ideas are mind dependent; things themselves are not. — tim wood
You're claim of contradiction, in not addressing what I mean, is merely offensive. — tim wood
But you've got nothing to show on your side except your unsupported claim, that itself can stand only as an unsupported claim. So I invite you for the last time to make your case. — tim wood
Here's quite a good summary of key elements of the scientific method:
Modern science emerged in the seventeenth century with two fundamental ideas: planned experiments (Francis Bacon) and the mathematical representation of relations among phenomena (Galileo). This basic experimental-mathematical epistemology evolved until, in the first half of the twentieth century, it took a stringent form involving (1) a mathematical theory constituting scientific knowledge, (2) a formal operational correspondence between the theory and quantitative empirical measurements, and (3) predictions of future measurements based on the theory. The “truth” (validity) of the theory is judged based on the concordance between the predictions and the observations. While the epistemological details are subtle and require expertise relating to experimental protocol, mathematical modeling, and statistical analysis, the general notion of scientific knowledge is expressed in these three requirements.
Science is neither rationalism nor empiricism. It includes both in a particular way. In demanding quantitative predictions of future experience, science requires formulation of mathematical models whose relations can be tested against future observations. Prediction is a product of reason, but reason grounded in the empirical. Hans Reichenbach summarizes the connection: “Observation informs us about the past and the present, reason foretells the future.”
— Edward Dougherty
'Evidence' has to fall within the scope of that methodology to be considered scientific. But scientific method itself operates within conditions, and those conditions by their very constitution limit what is considered 'evidence' to what is measurable according to this method. To say that is not to criticize science, but simply to draw something out that is often left unstated. — Wayfarer
There is no fault, there is only dialectical disagreement.
Faith and rationality are certainly not simple concepts; there is a clear distinction between them; I don’t agree the distinction is based on evidence. And unrecognizable is relative. — Mww
27 Then saith he to [Doubting] Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand[ wounds on Jesus' side as evidence for the crucifxion and resurrection], and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. — Gospel of John, Chapter 20
Are we really just about a word, or something more important. If you can tell me how intention moves or creates anything like a brick, then you can be sure I'll pay attention. — tim wood
In the meantime, I distinguish between material things and immaterial things, these latter being ideas. Do you? And if you do, on what basis? And if you don't, why not? — tim wood
Furthermore, I think that yours is a false distinction because what you call material things, like bricks, have what must be according to your distinction, an immaterial aspect, as demonstrated by quantum mechanics. — Metaphysician Undercover
In trust you have access to the Greek, what is that word for "cause." — tim wood
From what I understand, quantum mechanics is observable, and therefore material. — Pinprick
From what I understand, quantum mechanics is observable, and therefore material. — Pinprick
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