Nowt so abstract as "semantic content". — bongo fury
Janus
Even taking "proposition" as a term of art, it's not at all clear that this is what we ascribe truth to. Some concept of force, and in particular assertoric force, seems to be required. — Srap Tasmaner
There is a distinction between the statement "there is a fire in the next room" and the assertion "there is a fire in the next room.
— Banno
The second is a sentence token having, like a money token, currency and value in a system of interpretation. As such, within that system (of interpretation and production of sentence tokens as assertions), it is licence to produce more tokens, with similar value.
The first, if not an assertion, is outside the system - a dud ticket, a void note, an invalid vote. — bongo fury
Even taking "proposition" as a term of art, it's not at all clear that this is what we ascribe truth to. Some concept of force, and in particular assertoric force, send to be required. — Srap Tasmaner
you are thinking that the term 'proposition' is too strong, given that the detective is not proposing that W saw a man carrying a small ostrich, but rather asking whether he did?'And at that point you saw the man carrying a small ostrich.' — Srap Tasmaner
As I went walking I saw a sign there
And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."
But on the other side it didn't say nothing,
That side was made for you and me. — Woody Guthrie
I'm going to muddy the waters a bit. — Srap Tasmaner
Bare unspoken sentences that implicitly assert themselves are quite handy for doing logic, of course. — Srap Tasmaner
Arguably, no statement is ever entirely bereft of any illocutionary force, and [such that it?] might be considered a "dud ticket". But we use them quite routinely when doing logic, so I'm not too concerned about that.
— Banno
Great, and when you do logic, aren't you writing (or uttering) tokens, and excluding or contextualising (e.g. attaching "not" tokens to) contradictory ones, from within a system of proliferation of assertive tokens? — bongo fury
What did you mean by "Nowt (presumably "not"?) so abstract as 'semantic content'"? — Janus
What did you mean by "Nowt (presumably "not"?) so abstract as 'semantic content'"? — Janus
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/there%27s_nowt_so_queer_as_folk — bongo fury
I could find nothing to disagree with — Janus
But my question was really about what point the whole sentence was intended to make. — Janus
A nominalist suspects that the motivation is a mystical fascination with abstractions (e.g. "the cat's being on the mat") and the possibility of grasping them; — bongo fury
The problem isn't truth. Its applying "truth" to something that doesn't make any sense to begin with. — Philosophim
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