Do you think it is true that consciousness can arise from Generalized or non-Generalized Artificial Intelligence? — Shawn
This is probably an oversimplification but what is consciousness but information processing and if it is that then any information processor must be capable of it. :chin: — TheMadFool
I seem to have encountered an interesting thread about the nature of consciousness with respect to computers, who seem to display an attitude of sentience.
Do you think it is true that consciousness can arise from Generalized or non-Generalized Artificial Intelligence? — Shawn
But, consider that intelligence is required to process information. And, there is no ideal processor for all tasks — Shawn
A question I would like to ask though, is why do we think intelligence has necessarily a lot to do with consciousness? They seem like two separate things to me... — ChatteringMonkey
Either I'm out of my depth or there's something about the fact that all our reasoning, whether by a 5 year old toddler or the great Einstein himself, can be reduced to just 20 basic inference rules. Logic is the essence of our intelligence, no? — TheMadFool
Because intelligence is required for grasping reality itself, and with that comes conscious thought at some higher level. Let's not joke around and say that computers aren't as intelligent in any regard as we are, be it in isolation or collectively. — Shawn
Do you think it is true that consciousness can arise from Generalized or non-Generalized Artificial Intelligence? — Shawn
Normal computational hardware doesn't live in the world at all. It gets fabricated. It gets plugged into a wall socket. It gets given information already determined in its form by whoever decided what counted as meaningful input. It is just a machine blindly executing a program. It can do "anything" because nothing it does has to be meaningful in terms of maintaining its physical existence. — apokrisis
Do you think it is true that consciousness can arise from Generalized or non-Generalized Artificial Intelligence? — Shawn
It is clear that consciousness can arise (some like to say emerge) from piles of atoms; specifically, in living creatures made of meat. It may be that consciousness can ONLY arise in bags of meat, but it's more likely that it could arise in some other kind of substrate as well.
I do believe that. — fishfry
a dog knows, through its own sort of common sense, that it cannot leap over a house in order to reach its master. It presumably knows this as the directly given meaning of ‘houses‘ and ‘leaps’ — a meaning it experiences all the way down into its muscles and bones. As for you and me, we know, perhaps without ever having thought about it, that a person cannot be in two places at once. We know (to extract a few examples from the literature of cognitive science) that there is no football stadium on the train to Seattle, that giraffes do not wear hats and underwear, and that a book can aid us in propping up a slide projector but a sirloin steak probably isn’t appropriate. — Steve Talbott
a dog knows, through its own sort of common sense, that it cannot leap over a house in order to reach its master. It presumably knows this as the directly given meaning of ‘houses‘ and ‘leaps’ — a meaning it experiences all the way down into its muscles and bones.’ — Steve Talbott
Do you mean the act of reasoning itself or logic? These are two domains of knowledge. Logic contains itself no knowledge, it simply does — Shawn
They’re spookily efficient at some things, but amazingly dumb at others. — Wayfarer
What is it that made the meat alive before it ever got bagged and put on display at the supermarket? — apokrisis
I completely agree with you, it was just a composition error that I forgot to mention it. — fishfry
Hah. Wasn’t expecting that comeback! :rofl: — apokrisis
Have you ever checked out Howard Pattee on the “epistemic cut”? He makes the best hard-nosed physicist’s case for the difference between life as a process vs machines. — apokrisis
Another theoretical biologist, Robert Rosen, used category theory to say something similar in a mathematically abstract way. — apokrisis
Both provide the rigorous basics of what I’m arguing, — apokrisis
The other says, one day you will have driverless Uber pods. And here is my own first metal and clockwork contraption as the start of that journey. — apokrisis
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