• Gus Lamarch
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    Today, there is some debate regarding ancient Egyptian philosophy and its true scope and nature. Several of the ancient Greek philosophers regarded Egypt as a place of wisdom and philosophy. Isocrates - ancient Greek rhetorician, was one of the ten Attic orators, lived from 436 to 338 - states in Busiris - one of his works - that:

    "All men agree the Egyptians are the healthiest and most long of life among men; and then for the soul they introduced philosophy’s training…"

    He declares that Greek writers traveled to Egypt to seek knowledge. One of them was Pythagoras of Samos who "was first to bring to the Greeks all philosophy", according to Isocrates.

    In Plato’s Timaeus, Socrates quotes the ancient Egyptian wise men when the law-giver Solon - Athenian statesman, lawmaker and poet - travels to Egypt to learn:

    "O Solon, Solon, you Greeks are always children."

    Aristotle attests to Egypt being the original land of wisdom, as when he states in Politics that:

    "Egyptians are reputed to be the oldest of nations, but they have always had laws and a political system."

    One Egyptian figure often considered an early philosopher is Ptahhotep - He served as vizier to the pharaoh in the late 25th, early 24th century BC - and he is known for his comprehensive work on ethical behavior and moral philosophy, called The Maxims of Ptahhotep. The work, which is believed to have been compiled by his grandson Ptahhotep Tjefi, is a series of 37 letters or maxims addressed to his son, Akhethotep, speaking on such topics as daily behavior and ethical practices. A text for the American Philosophical Association describes the 3200-year-old text "The Immortality of Writers", or "Be a Writer" - c. 1200 BC -, as a remarkable example of classical Egyptian philosophy. The text states:

    "Man perishes; his corpse turns to dust; all his relatives return to the earth. But writings make him remembered in the mouth of the reader. A book is more effective than a well-built house or a tomb-chapel, better than an established villa or a stela in the temple! They gave themselves a book as their lector-priest, a writing-board as their dutiful son. Teachings are their mausolea, the reed-pen their child, the burnishing-stone their wife. Both great and small are given them as their children, for the writer is chief."

    Dag Herbjørnsrud - founder of Center for Global and Comparative History of Ideas - writes:

    "In 2018, projects are under way to translate several ancient Egyptian texts for the first time. Yet we already have a wide variety of genres to choose from in order to study the manuscripts from a philosophical perspective: The many maxims in “The Teaching of Ptahhotep”, the earliest preserved manuscript of this vizier of the fifth dynasty is from the 19th century BC, in which he also argues that you should “follow your heart”; “The Teaching of Ani”, written by a humble middle-class scribe in the 13th century BC, which gives advice to the ordinary man; “The Satire of the Trades” by Khety, who tries to convince his son Pepy to “love books more than your mother” as there is nothing “on earth” like being a scribe; the masterpiece “The Dispute Between a Man and His Ba” of the 19th century BC – in which a man laments “the misery of life,” while his ba - personality/soul - replies that life is good, that he should rather “ponder life” as it is a burial that is miserable, and Amennakht - active in 1170–1140 BC -, the leading intellectual of the scribal town Deir El-Medina, whose teaching states that “it is good to finish school, better than the smell of lotus blossoms in summer.”

    With all this being said, with the possible translation and evaluation of ancient Egyptian texts as potential philosophical texts, it could eventually be considered that the cradle of Western philosophy wasn't located in classical Greece - as we are all used to - but in ancient Egypt, since it could be revealed that Greek thoughts were strongly influenced by Egyptian thinking that, so far, are not within our reach.
  • Olivier5
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    it could eventually be considered that the cradle of Western philosophy wasn't located in classical Greece - as we are all used to - but in ancient EgyptGus Lamarch

    Yes to all that. Thales also said to have studied in Egypt.
  • Gus Lamarch
    924
    Yes to all that. Thales also said to have studied in Egypt.Olivier5

    I don't know about you, but I'm looking forward to reading the ancient Egyptian works. It will bring us a new spectrum of how philosophical thought developed and what tranformed it into what Tales would eventually call "philosophia".
  • Olivier5
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    I have studied them a bit. I like Egyptology. You must take into account that these texts are 3000 yr old or so, older than the Bible. So the level of discourse remains somewhat basic. What Thales got from them, I suspect, is essentially geometry. The Theorem of Thales in particular.

    I haven't read "The Dispute Between a Man and His Ba" which seems quite interesting. The Teachings of Ptahhotep and Ani are wisdom literature, exhorting one to be truthful, humble, etc. Interesting from a history of ideas standpoint but it's not going to blow your mind. The Satire of the Trades and similar (it's a genre) is basically a pro domo argument for the importance of scribes by a scribe. It's the dawn of the intellectual class, and this class develops a view of its own role in society (the best one, not too surprisingly...). So here what is interesting is the role of the written word, how it may influence society, given that for the antique Egyptians the written word is literally sacred (hiero-glyph as the Greeks put it) and magical. Signs have their own spirit. In particular, the animals depicted in hieroglyphs (eg in tombs) were seen as potentially dangerous, reason for which they are sometimes mutilated in the glyph. Eg the Horned viper (an alphabetic sign for the letter “f”). During some periods, scribes mutilated the sign so it could not kill the reader of a text. The sparrow too, an ideogram for "evil", is sometimes defaced or mutilated.
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