this does not prove that something eternal exists. — Philosophim
One question I would ask is this: is there anything that exists that does not have a temporal beginning and ending (i.e. begins and ends in time) and is not composed of parts? — Wayfarer
A question that I think is worth considering is, in what sense do numbers exist? — Wayfarer
One question I would ask is this: is there anything that exists that does not have a temporal beginning and ending (i.e. begins and ends in time) and is not composed of parts? — Wayfarer
Define Truth as what is eternal, what never changes.
Is there such a thing?
Assume Truth does not exist. Then there is nothing that never changes. So “there is nothing that never changes” is eternal. So Truth exists.
So something is eternal. Some call it God.
I find it interesting that it can be proven that something eternal exists. — leo
I think that's close. Interesting that it's a discovery of mathematical physics, isn't it? — Wayfarer
An island to the south of continental Australia exists. A large deposit of ice on the Moon is now said to exist. But the solution to the question of what two and two equals does not exist, it simply is. — Wayfarer
It's six o'clock. It is true that it is six o'clock.
Now, it's one past six. It is no longer true that it is six o'clock.
Sometimes truth changes. — Banno
A question that I think is worth considering is, in what sense do numbers exist? — Wayfarer
Truth is a predicate of statements; it is not a thing — Banno
Let’s assume nothing is eternal. Either this is true for a limited time, or for all eternity. — leo
I've been attempting to draw the distinction between "real" and "exists" in multiple threads. Seems a useful line of inquiry here. — Hippyhead
You cannot make truthful statements like that about time. — Metaphysician Undercover
What blather! I have an appointment for 2:00. I get there before 2:00. I am there at 2:00. I keep my 2:00 appointment and it starts at 2:00.You cannot make truthful statements like that about time. By the time you say "it's six o'clock" that time has past. And, as Einstein proposed, what time it is, is relative to your frame of reference, so there is no such thing as the truth about what time it actually is. — Metaphysician Undercover
And in any case it started, so it must have started at some time. — tim wood
Step up and tell us what you mean! — tim wood
Or are you lost in Zeno-esque confusion. — tim wood
I can; I did. Ergo, you are wrong. — Banno
If there is something that is eternal, then it is false that nothing is eternal. And this statement of false, would be eternal.
However, if there exists absolutely nothing that is eternal, then our statement is true. And this statement of true, would be eternal. — Philosophim
If there was nothing eternal, then “nothing is eternal” would be eternal... — leo
This goes beyond statements. — leo
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