• TheHedoMinimalist
    460
    The Experience Machine is a thought experiment proposed by Robert Nozick which asks us to imagine a virtual reality machine that can replicate any experience for the person who plugs themselves in. It can make you feel as though you are a rockstar, or an award winning author or a wealthy aristocrat who gets to bang chicks all day. Anything you can want in life, it can make you think it has become reality. While plugged in the machine, you believe that it is reality and you don’t know that you are living in a virtual world. Robert Nozick used this thought experiment to argue against Hedonism which is a theory of welfare which claims that one’s welfare is solely determined by the amount of pleasure and suffering in one’s life. Because most people would prefer their current life over the EM life, Nozick argued that hedonism is likely false.

    There is another popular theory of welfare called Preference Satisfaction theory which argues that one’s level of welfare is determined by whether or not they live the kind of life that they would prefer to live. The PS theory is liked by many because of its seemingly impartial nature. On the surface, it appears that a supporter of the PS theory should think that the EM life is good for those who prefer the EM life and bad for those who don’t want the EM life.

    I would argue that the PS theory believer should think that the EM life is good for everyone. This is because preferences are experiences and the EM has the ability to alter everyone’s experiences. Thus, the EM can alter one’s preferences. If the EM can alter one’s preferences then it can make every person prefer the EM life over their current life. If PS theory is true, then it would be rational for each person to use the EM to change their preferences about the EM and then spend their lives living in the EM. This way they can always live the kind of life they would most prefer to live. This would imply that the PS theory also has the implication of supporting the EM existence over the typical human existence and it would imply that one should either accept the EM implication or argue that there are certain external facts about a person’s life which can objectively improve the welfare of that person.
  • Down The Rabbit Hole
    550
    I cannot see a flaw in your argument; the EM would provide more preference satisfaction than RL.

    However, I believe preference theory is built on air. Positive and negative experience is all that matters.
  • Darkneos
    955
    The glaring hole in the argument is that this assumes people know what makes them happy and what life they want, research however seems to show otherwise.

    Even if PS theory was true it would not be rational to choose the machine, they'd likely stick with reality based on what they want. Plus people seem to find a strange joy in life not going the way they want sometimes.

    Also altering one's preferences so they would prefer the machine is poisoning the well, any argument works if you permit brainwashing, so it's a moot point. In a sense it invalidates your point. "everyone would agree with me if they could be made to agree" doesn't really prove anything.

    Ultimately your argument doesn't get at what the experience machine is about. The experience machine is arguing about whether pleasure and suffering are the sole factors of meaning in life and our decisions, and the PS doesn't get around that either. It's essentially just EP repackaged, and still assumes "welfare" (vague term) and pleasure are the sole good in life and should be maximized. But based on evidence while welfare and pleasure are part of it, they aren't the only values in life. Oddly enough, a lot prefer the unpredictability and messy nature of life, despite the harm it did to their welfare.

    Heck I'm reminded of Frida Callo, that artist, who was in crippling pain her entire life but still had no regrets and lived "well". Or people who put themselves in mortal danger for the thrill even if they might not survive. Humans are weird...

    So in a sense PS would argue against EM. Even if PS is true it would not be rational to choose the machine since not everyone would prefer that kinda life. Since we are talking about individual desires the word "rational" doesn't make sense. But also EM is to argue against Hedonism and that pleasure is the highest good, PS doesn't really support that since what someone prefers to live might not be pleasurable.

    I'd also argue against preferences being experiences, they are judgments about experiences not experiences themselves.

    You haven't made a case that welfare and happiness are the sole values for a meaningful life. It also makes the fallacious assumption that welfare is the goal of life, and given human behavior that fact is highly doubtful. It also assumes that living the life we prefer it part of welfare, but as evidence shows that's not entirely true. Turns out getting everything you want doesn't really lead to welfare, even a preferred life.

    But also there is no objective improvement of welfare or measurement of it. That's a subjective judgment that cannot be measured in any empirically verifiable way.
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