Microbes, atoms, quantum waves and distant galaxies didn't exist because we couldn't show them to be actual and necessary. — Hippyhead
Why would someone need to demonstrate anything about reality if they are making a baseless claim? — ToothyMaw
we were not disputing whether or not religious people's claims actually represent physical reality; what is relevant is that they aim to represent reality and fail to do so due to problems inherent to the language used, which is, once again, where Wittgenstein comes in. — ToothyMaw
The problem of the language, is that the language is making a claim about reality, without evidence to reality. I am specifying what the specific problem of the language being used is: It intends to convey reality without any evidence of it. I don't believe we are in disagreement here. — Philosophim
The problem of the language, is that the language is making a claim about reality, without evidence to reality. — Philosophim
The realization of the fact that God is beyond our understanding or we cannot express a lot of meaningful statements regarding him cannot even be articulated by an individual. The only medium left is music/art/poetry etc. You have to corrupt what you had originally in your mind though. Otherwise, it would not be understood at all by the public. — Wittgenstein
Fragments, I. Kireevsky, 1857.[...] Therefore, believing thought is best characterized by its attempt to gather all the separate parts of the soul into one force, to search out that inner heart of being where reason and will, feeling and conscience, the beautiful and the true, the wonderful and the desired, the just and the merciful, and all the capacity of mind converge into one living unity, and in this way the essential human personality is restored in its primordial indivisibility.
Here we are again. The requirement for evidence is a rule of reason, a system of thought invented by a single semi-suicidal species only recently living in caves on one little planet in one of billions of galaxies. Reason is not a god proven to have binding authority over all of reality, but instead a tool proven to be useful in a limited context. — Hippyhead
Saint Dionysius, for example, states that we can't try to limit God with concepts as "Being", and that God may be non-being or even beyond-being, simply because there are limitations concerning human reason. — Bertoldo
Do you believe this to be an assessment of reality? — Philosophim
Reason is, at the very least, one of the most valuable tools we have, along with the science, and has done immense amounts of work in terms of our understanding of the world, and it doesn't appear as if it will stop doing so. — ToothyMaw
Do you believe this to be an assessment of reality? — Philosophim
Is reason proven to be binding on all of reality? We can't even define what we mean by "all of reality". One universe, a trillion universes? We have no idea. — Hippyhead
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