(Either your argument is dumb or i misunderstood it, the second being more likely) — QuirkyZen
Then basically they avoid evil acts and stuff because of fear of "fear of punishment" — QuirkyZen
I find this to be a bit of a misconception. Surely you can understand why. — Outlander
If you are consistently law abiding, Outlander, why would you fear punishment for wrongdoing? — BC
Not in all cases but in most BECAUSE OF THE FEAR OF PUNISHMENT. When your stomach is empty, you haven't eaten from 2 days you don't give a damn about morals or right or wrong(of course they are some exceptions) So yeah the only thing keeping them back is fear of punishment, fear of getting caught and getting punished. This was one of the instances, there are many more if you want. — QuirkyZen
Oh come now. No innocent man has ever been framed. No bad thing has ever happened to a good person? — Outlander
I don't want a fear based system but our system to such extend is fear based. — QuirkyZen
Yeah but why does the individual mostly becomes a law abiding person because the fear gets ingrained in him. You are literally saying the thing i said at first. I don't know why it took you so long to understand this and at start you weren't even considering fear as reason for law abiding. I guess people on this forum debate to prove others wrong than getting to the truthFear of punishment and guilt is a key experience for children: it's the essential route to developing a strong moral sense. However, once the moral sense has developed (in childhood, before adulthood) the individual is likely to be consistently law abiding the rest of his life — BC
I don't know why it took you so long to understand this — QuirkyZen
I've been reflecting on a thought: if people were given the chance to do things society and general are considered "bad" or "evil" with no one ever finding out, and with zero chance of anyone suspecting them, most would likely take it(correct me if i am wrong). — QuirkyZen
if people were given the chance to do things society and general are considered "bad" or "evil" with no one ever finding out, and with zero chance of anyone suspecting them, most would likely take it(correct me if i am wrong) — QuirkyZen
Does that make them a bad person? — QuirkyZen
Does that make them a bad person? If so, doesn’t that mean we’re all bad people deep down?
I think every intentional act, to be properly intentional, aims at some good. In terms of theft, some good is being aimed at. It isn't wrong to seek such goods. It is wrong to prioritize lesser goods over greater ones though. And the idea would be that prioritizing wealth over virtue is a sort of misprioritization that stems from ignorance or weakness of will (both of which are limits on a perfected freedom). I guess there is a notion of harmony here too. Evil is a sort of unintelligibly in action, it is to be out of step with nature (nature as perfected) or to "miss the mark." — Count Timothy von Icarus
So weakness of will involves current knowledge, what is understood to be best. If we make poor choices out of ignorance about what is truly best, that would simply be a case of ignorance. Weakness of will is a conflict between different appetites. It's untinelligible in that it doesn't correspond to the intellect. The action is not in accord with what is understood, but is instead contrary to it. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Do you mean to say that whenever any of us encounter a conflict of appetites, weakness of will arises of necessity?
↪Joshs ↪Count Timothy von Icarus
That "ordering of the appetites" -- I wonder if that's absent from Nietzsche?
I don't think so, given his general appreciation for master morality — Moliere
No, weakness of will is when one of the lower appetites, the concupiscible (related to pleasure/pain) or irascible (related to hope/fear), overrules the rational appetite for what is understood as good (the will). I'm not super committed to that exact typology, but it seems to describe a common enough phenomenon. That is, bodily or emotional appetites overwhelming our "better judgement," i.e. our understanding of what would be truly best.
When the will overrules the lower appetites, that is the opposite of weakness of will, i.e., the proper ordering. — Count Timothy von Icarus
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