• NOS4A2
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    Speaking of conspiracy theories, the BlueAnon dupes of Russiagate are in for some more surprises. DNI Gabbard just dropped some frightening info.

    https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/DIG/DIG-Russia-Hoax-Memo-and-Timeline_revisited.pdf

    Apparently a lot more is to come, which they might even use to build a criminal conspiracy case. Yikes.

    https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2025/07/16/exclusive_secret_meeting_opens_document_floodgates_on_trumprussia_hoax_1123108.html
  • jorndoe
    4.1k
    Seems clear enough that Trump is eroding credibility/trust that will impact Americans in the future.

    In Latest Attack on Media, Trump Sues Wall Street Journal Over Epstein Report (— Jessica Corbett · Common Dreams · Jul 18, 2025)

    The baby-rants are part of the circus.

    Who stands to benefit?
  • Metaphysician Undercover
    14.1k
    Speaking of conspiracy theories, the BlueAnon dupes of Russiagate are in for some more surprises. DNI Gabbard just dropped some frightening info.NOS4A2

    I took a look at the links, and don't see anything new. What is this frighten info that we're supposed to find?
  • NOS4A2
    10k


    I wasn’t aware of the whistleblower information, or that Obama and his crew ordered a reassessment after they lost the election. Is that old news?
  • Metaphysician Undercover
    14.1k

    I don't know, that seems quite trivial. Where's the frightening part?
  • NOS4A2
    10k


    It’s a criminal referral for what DNI Gabbard called a “treasonous conspiracy”. The DOJ has taken up the referral. What’s the trivial part?
  • Wayfarer
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    It’s a criminal referral for what DNI Gabbard called a “treasonous conspiracy”NOS4A2

    A made-up report which directly contradicts an earlier, bi-partisan report, chaired by Marco Rubio, now Glove Puppet of State, which established that Russia really did try to meddle in the 2016 election, had a hand in publishing leaked DNC documents, and had favoured Trump over Clinton, but had not been able to change any actual votes.

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    And Trump accuses Obama of treason :rofl:

    Impeach Now! :rage:
  • NOS4A2
    10k


    Unfortunately they didn’t have access to those files. More to come, too. Buckle up.
  • NOS4A2
    10k
    Tulsi making some serious allegations. Inserted here for historical record.

  • praxis
    6.9k
    The purpose of the allegations is obviously distraction.
  • ssu
    9.5k
    I just love the now Trump is fighting with Rupert Murdoch.

    I feel good for the Americans who don't like either of the two political parties running the US. With a hideous sex scandal involving TWO Presidents that represent both parties, It's so hilarious to see how the partisan hacks are incapable of discussing ALL the Epstein client list.

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  • NOS4A2
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    One of greatest myths perpetuated by the Russia hoax is that the Russian “developed a clear preference for candidate Trump”, “aspired to help his chances of victory”, and that “Russian leaders never entirely abandoned hope for a defeat of Secretary Clinton”. This is listed as a fact at the top of this thread, for example. But an HPSCI report from 2020 released yesterday by the Director of National Intelligence reveal this to be nonsense based on "significant tradecraft failures".

    https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/DIG/DIG-Declassified-HPSCI-Report-Manufactured-Russia-Hoax-July2025.pdf

    This particular piece of misinformation is by now so deeply embedded in many minds, that it will be interesting to see if that conviction can be changed, and maybe we can unite and hold to account those that lied to them for all these years. That would be the honorable thing to do. Yet, doubling down and distorting the media landscape with distractions might be their modus operandi. Last night I saw a clip of a CNN host speaking over the DNI’s allegations as she went live, in what appeared to be an attempt to censor and distort for their viewers her most damning claims. The state media in my own country, which pushes that narrative to this day, went so far as to call it all lies.
  • Wayfarer
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    But then, you're willing to trust Tulsi Gabbard's rewriting of history, over the unambiguous findings of the bi-partisan committee that investigated the matter at the time, and came to the opposite conclusion.

    Key Findings of the Bi-partisan Senate Intelligence Committee:
    • Russian Interference Was Extensive – The committee confirmed that Russia engaged in a sweeping influence campaign, including hacking Democratic emails (via GRU operatives) and spreading disinformation through social media (via the Internet Research Agency).
    • Preference for Trump – The Russian government viewed Trump as a candidate who would align more closely with their interests and worked to boost his candidacy while undermining Clinton.
    • Contacts Between Trump Campaign and Russia – While the committee did not establish a formal conspiracy, it documented numerous contacts between Trump associates and Russian officials, some of which raised counterintelligence concerns.
    • Bipartisan Consensus – Unlike other politically divisive reports, this investigation was notably bipartisan, with Republicans and Democrats largely agreeing on its conclusions.

    Contrast with the Mueller Report:
    The Special Counsel Robert Mueller investigation (2019) also found that Russia interfered to benefit Trump but did not establish enough evidence to charge Trump campaign officials with a criminal conspiracy. However, the Senate report went further in detailing the extent of Russia's preference for Trump.


    As for Gabbard, CNN reports:

    The director of national intelligence told Americans this week that what everyone has known about the 2016 election is backwards.

    The US intelligence community; bipartisan Senate review; the Mueller report; the Durham report — years of investigations concluded or did not dispute the idea that Russia meddled in the election and that it preferred Donald Trump to Hillary Clinton.

    In Gabbard’s telling, the idea that Russia meddled and that it favored Trump is a narrative spun out of a conspiracy hatched by then-President Barack Obama to undermine Trump from the get-go. Trump clearly approves of Gabbard’s version, although there’s no evidence to support her claims.

    The upshot is that right now the Trump Presidency is consumed by two competing conspiracy theories: one, that Russian interference in the 2016 was a hoax, the other being the Epstein affair. It's a complete schemozzle and a shitshow.
  • jorndoe
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    Some select quotes to spice things up... :)

    The election campaign is over. To achieve success in the election, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. As a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them.Patrushev · TASS · Nov 11, 2024

    They respect me. Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a lot with me. He went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and Russia, Russia, Russia.Trump · UCSB · Feb 28, 2025

    The new (U.S.) administration is rapidly changing all foreign policy configurations. This largely coincides with our vision.Peskov · zarubinreporter via max seddon · Mar 2, 2025 · 1m:52s

    Putin 'speaks to me, nobody else' after G8 expulsion, Trump saysNBC · Jun 16, 2025 · 30s
  • jorndoe
    4.1k
    Well, she's not holding back, and also comments on ABC, Zuckerberg, WSJ:

    Elizabeth Warren on Colbert ‘Late Show’ Cancellation: Is the Paramount Trump Payoff a Bribe?
    Elizabeth Warren · Variety · Jul 23, 2025

    :D

    Scottish newspaper headline about Trump visit referred to him as 'convicted US felon'? (...)
    — Cindy Shan · Snopes · Jul 25, 2025
  • NOS4A2
    10k


    The Senate Intelligence Committee report relied on the Intelligence Community Assessment of January 2017 and the testimony of its drafters, all of which left out the contradictory evidence as reported in the newly unclassified HPSCI report. This report, found locked away in a safe-within-a-safe in a hidden room at CIA headquarters, illustrates damning evidence regarding its failures. It also illustrates how Putin probably had kompramat on Clinton. Why do you think the drafters of the ICA report would actively hide and misrepresent this evidence?

    You might want to give it a read and judge for yourself.

    https://www.odni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/DIG/DIG-Declassified-HPSCI-Report-Manufactured-Russia-Hoax-July2025.pdf
  • Paine
    2.8k
    Fool me once:

    On Sunday, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard said her office would send a memo, which was released on Friday with a statement, and its supporting documents to the U.S. Justice Department for use in potential criminal prosecutions of unnamed Obama-era intelligence officials.

    “We are referring all of the documents that we have uncovered to the Department of Justice and the FBI for a criminal referral,” Gabbard told a Fox interviewer. She did not say explicitly who she hoped might be prosecuted.

    The memo accuses the former officials of a “conspiracy” to “politicize” intelligence about Russia’s 2016 election interference, in order to “subvert” Donald Trump’s election win. But neither the memo nor the report refute the volumes of public evidence of the interference, including a GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee investigation. And the documents advance a misleading description of what the intelligence community said about those efforts and their extent.

    The report offers a timeline of when intelligence officials discussed Russia’s actions internally. Tellingly, it does not refute or contradict the findings of the 2020 Senate Intelligence Committee investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference, nor any of the public evidence supporting those findings:

    In September 2015, the FBI contacted the DNC after detecting a breach on its servers, which the FBI attributed to a Russian actor. That’s a matter of sworn public testimony from Yared Tamene Wolde-Yohannes, a DNC IT contractor.

    In April 2016, the DNC contacted CrowdStrike to investigate another detected intrusion. CrowdStrike, which was also under contract with the RNC, attributed the breach to known Russian actors. These attackers were already familiar to the broader cybersecurity community, having also targeted the State Department, White House and Pentagon.

    In July, a Russian-linked news site called DCLeaks and WikiLeaks published a series of exfiltrated communications from the DNC—some 20,000 emails—the same data taken by Russian actors from DNC networks.

    In October 2016, DHS and ODNI issued a joint statement attributing the DNC hack to Russia, confirming what many analysts had been reporting for months. The Senate Intelligence Committee report also documents a concerted effort by the Russian government to sway U.S. public opinion via social media networks, including through targeted ads.

    To what extent did these efforts change voters’ minds? Personal voter motivation is notoriously difficult to quantify, though some have tried.

    The new ODNI report, in short, misrepresents a documented Russian influence campaign aimed at voter perception as a cyber campaign to manipulate vote totals. It also omits a subject of more current relevance: the evidence that Russia is continuing its efforts to reshape perceptions of truth to America’s disadvantage.
    Patrick Tucker
  • frank
    17.9k

    There's a big sign near my work place that was once a Trump campaign poster. People keep painting new stuff over it in a kind of billboard war.

    Today's fresh coat of paint announced:

    you voted for a PEDO
  • NOS4A2
    10k


    For BlueAnon, making such statements before all the facts are out is the going rate, these days.
  • frank
    17.9k

    What is truth?
  • Wayfarer
    25.2k
    You might want to give it a read and judge for yourself.NOS4A2

    I have no reason to doubt the media reports on it. As for you, you want to believe it, as one who has spent the last 8 years defending and supporting Trump.
  • jorndoe
    4.1k
    , it seems like something is going on, but it's not clear what ...

    Pam Bondi ends FBI effort to combat foreign influence in U.S. politics (— NBC · Feb 6, 2025)

    Trump administration retreats in fight against Russian cyber threats (— Guardian · Mar 1, 2025)

    Carlos Giménez (Homeland Security committee member) said on Mar 3, 2025, that he didn't know why Hegseth ended these cyber efforts.

    Weird. Trump's people have lost sufficient credibility that they'd need clear evidence by now. I wouldn't underestimate incompetence in the Trump regime, though. I wouldn't let it distract from the Epstein case, either. Meanwhile, the Scots kind of "welcomed" Trump. :)
  • Paine
    2.8k

    It gets difficult when the 'deep state' is your group in power. Claimed but not owned. Needing the old narratives but the victim of them at the same time.

    Pretty weak beer.
  • NOS4A2
    10k


    I have no reason to doubt the media reports on it. As for you, you want to believe it, as one who has spent the last 8 years defending and supporting Trump.

    You have no other choice because believing media reports is how you form your beliefs. How could you operate without them?
  • Wayfarer
    25.2k
    Beats listening to Trump!s lies. I’d trust any mainstream journo over that.

    The absurdity of this investigation is underlined, too, by the fact that Mr. Obama is almost certainly immune from prosecution — thanks to Mr. Trump and the Supreme Court. In its decision last year in Trump v. United States, the court held that there was a presumption that former presidents could not be prosecuted for any “official” conduct during their time in office. The preparation and dissemination of intelligence findings are certainly official functions of the presidency, and accordingly, they would be off limits as the bases for any criminal charges. — NY Times

    Not that facts ever matter to MAGA.
  • NOS4A2
    10k


    You can find that one in the anti-Trump trophy case, with all the other Supreme Court losses. It appears abusing the courts and weaponizing the justice system is unconstitutional.
  • NOS4A2
    10k
    Another trade deal, this time with the EU. It might be too early to say but it looks like the Euros get the short end of the stick on this one.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/28/eu-us-trade-deal-tariffs-european-union-five-key-takeaways
  • frank
    17.9k

    It means some drugs will cost more. I guess the goal would be to inspire more pharmaceutical production in the US.
  • Mikie
    7.1k
    Imagine actually believing Trump is anything other than a vacuous, degenerate con man. And being an adult.

    Anyway, Trump’s EPA is now pretending greenhouse gases don’t harm people. Another nail in humanity’s coffin courtesy of the racist rapist in the White House. What winning.
  • Wayfarer
    25.2k
    Where is the outrage about Trump trying to strong-arm Brazil into dropping criminal charges against Bolsonaro? There is credible evidence - yet to be tried in court, but that's the point! - that Bolsonaro conspired to have Lula and a Supreme Court Judge assasinated. He himself doesn't deny that he tried to subvert the election results. And now Trump's putting up a massive 50% tarriff barrier against Brazil and demanding the trial process be aborted.

    I suppose the only reason for the lack of commentary is that Trump traffics so regularly in outrage that the world has become indifferent - part of his plan, no doubt. But it's an absolute outrage against the principles of justice and the affairs of a sovereign nation.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/30/world/americas/trump-sanctions-brazil-judge-bolsonaro.html?unlocked_article_code=1.aU8.zfq4.Wkrti8CrsaLC&smid=url-share
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