If by the essence you mean a set of properties and abilities, then we are on the same page. Otherwise, I don't understand what essence could possibly mean. That is true since we have something that exists objectively, so-called God (which I think It is a mind); God is therefore a substance, given the definition of substance as something that objectively exists. Such a substance needs to have abilities and properties in order to interact with reality.'Essence' is 'what is essential to the being', from the Latin 'esse' 'to be'. — Wayfarer
Wholly instrumental analytic reason is in a sense diabolical (in both its original and current sense). — Count Timothy von Icarus
Let's just leave it at this: on it's face, the Catholic Trinity appears to be contradictory. — frank
That must mean there is something objective and particular about the concept of the Trinity — Fire Ologist
Let's just leave it at this: on it's face, the Catholic Trinity appears to be contradictory. Catholics are aware of this, but deny that it's a contradiction, because the truth is beyond human comprehension. If we were enlightened, we would see that it's not a contradiction. — frank
The "sensus fidelium" could not exist if what is agreed upon were truly incoherent. — Leontiskos
a "slave to sin," beset by the "civil war in the soul" of Romans 7 and The Republic is to be less a person, more a mere jumble of external causes. Indeed, to be irrational is to be less fully anything at all. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Don't shoot the messenger.
4. When one is offended by another person, whose fault is that feeling of offense? The hurling of insults is certainly the fault of the one hurling insults, but the feeling of offense, who is responsible for that?
— Fire Ologist — Banno
If you really think the God who is a trinity of persons is like the person who is suffering from DID... — Fire Ologist
This is now the bit where you pretend that you and Leon pretend to have answered the problems raised. You haven't. — Banno
End of discussion.
— Fire Ologist
Unfortunately not. — Banno
you're right where we all are. None of us have final answers. — frank
Not sure what that sentence is. The ball remains in your court, so far as I can see.You haven’t given any new effort to show me some pretenses. — Fire Ologist
The standard modern definition of an essence is as those properties had by some individual in every possible world that includes that individual.I don't understand what that definition is referring to unless essence refers to properties and abilities! — MoK
How does 1+1+1=1? By misunderstanding either "1" or "+" or "=", or using at least one of them in a way that is not in accord with their usual use. — Banno
'Essence' is 'what is essential to the being', from the Latin 'esse' 'to be'.
— Wayfarer
If by the essence you mean a set of properties and abilities, then we are on the same page. — MoK
. That is true since we have something that exists objectively, so-called God — MoK
What's "Is-ness"? Isn't that a reaffirmation of A=A, that the essence of A is that A is A? Doesn't that leave you with defining the "is" of identity in terms of essence, and then defining essence in terms of identity?the essence is the 'is-ness' of something. — Wayfarer
But you can't make an apology for the Catholic view by referring to Eastern Orthodox. Let's just leave it at this: on it's face, the Catholic Trinity appears to be contradictory
If we were enlightened, we would see that it's not a contradiction
Syllogistic logic can only deal with single-place predicates, and so must interpret any relation, including A=A, as a single place predicate - "A has the property of being A". Hence the invention of the pseudo-predicate "is-ness".
If by the essence you mean a set of properties and abilities, then we are on the same page
Agreed. And we can hold that such an approach is diabolical while also maintaining that it need not be explicitly atheistic (for example). The issue has to do with a closed-off-ness to both analogical reasoning and transcendence.
Also, the East tends to be a bit "looser" and more focused on "praxis," which I think is helpful. — Count Timothy von Icarus
I continue to be impressed by the amount of gymnastics — jorndoe
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