You made a claim. I've challenged it. You are not answering hte challenge. So be it. — AmadeusD
In the scenario i just gave you, what have i suffered, without something more? It's nothing, isn't it? — AmadeusD
I haven't. Something more is required. Most Western Law even requires harm or damage to be established before a conviction or punishment will be metered out. — AmadeusD
Compromising someone's data, violating the law that is the GDPR and a bunch of other laws, is by definition harmful and causes suffering (one must worry how one's data maybe abused). — boethius
↪boethius I see you continue to refuse to answer the simple question posed. OK then. That is a shame. — AmadeusD
What have i suffered? This requires an actual answer, not continuous prevarication. My claim is it is nothing. I cannot prove a negative. You must convince me that you receiving information out of my personal email account results, prima facie, in my suffering. — AmadeusD
A: You receive some clandestine information about me.
B: Nothing else has happened, as I gave this scenario and I am telling you this.
C: Where's the suffering ?? — AmadeusD
You do not have an answer it seems. Have a go! Your answer is restricted to responding to this scenario. If you move beyond this scenario, you are not answering the question/challenge. — AmadeusD
will be metered out. — AmadeusD
I've answered it multiple times. It's a shame you can't read simple sentences and also don't know anything about the law despite pretending to. — boethius
You may not suffer if you don't care about your privacy, but this would cause suffering to most people knowing that I have their private personal information when I shouldn't.
As I've stated already multiple times, the suffering also requires becoming aware of the invasion of privacy. — boethius
I see you immediately devolve into insults and ad hominems. Interesting. — AmadeusD
And now you seek to sneak in answers you refused to give previously. Gotcha. — AmadeusD
Is there any actual evidence that any children have suffered because of what you explained?
— Sir2u
First of all, compromising people's data is itself harmful, which then, in itself, causes the suffering of needing to worry about how one's data could be used for ill, once one is made aware of the data breach (as required under the GDPR). If you knew your ID and medical history was stolen that would cause suffering even if the data theft is never exploited to commit further crimes against you. — boethius
I've asked what suffering. You've not answered.
You receive information from my personal email account (clandestine, we assume). What have I suffered ? I shall short-cut this.
I haven't. Something more is required. Most Western Law even requires harm or damage to be established before a conviction or punishment will be metered out. — AmadeusD
↪boethius You have devolved into someone not worth exchanging with. That's a shame, as some months back you were consistently contributing well across multiple areas of the forum.
Take care of yourself. — AmadeusD
What suffering? — AmadeusD
Invasion of privacy in itself causes suffering under Western jurisprudence and I would also argue just as a fact regardless of what our legal system says about it.
Which is why invasion of privacy is a crime. Of course, the suffering is once the victim knows about it. — boethius
I've asked what suffering. You've not answered.
You receive information from my personal email account (clandestine, we assume). What have I suffered ? I shall short-cut this.
I haven't. Something more is required. Most Western Law even requires harm or damage to be established before a conviction or punishment will be metered out. — AmadeusD
Ok, then send me your ID and complete medical information if it's nothing to you that I have it. — boethius
↪boethius You could answer the question, please good sir, instead of prevaricating.
In the scenario i just gave you, what have i suffered, without something more? It's nothing, isn't it? — AmadeusD
↪boethius You made a claim. I've challenged it. You are not answering hte challenge. So be it. — AmadeusD
↪boethius Given your bend-over-backwards defense of Russia, it's hard to take your child welfare concerns seriously. — RogueAI
what have i suffered, without something more? It's nothing, isn't it? — AmadeusD
↪boethius Please don't lie. What I said was this — AmadeusD
what have i suffered, without something more? It's nothing, isn't it? — AmadeusD
↪boethius You made a claim. I've challenged it. You are not answering hte challenge. So be it.
— AmadeusD — boethius
and you've provided absolutely nothing to move that needle. You cannot name a single 'suffering' i endure by you receiving my personal information. You are getting extremely agitated by having to answer a simple question directly related to your contention. — AmadeusD
This is why you are not worth engaging with. You are being dishonest, uninteresting and avoiding the challenge entirely. These are facts. — AmadeusD
I've literally cited you saying exactly: — boethius
Which clearly recognizes I haven't misrepresented your position, — boethius
What do I suffer when you receive my personal information??? Stop fing around, and answer this question. — AmadeusD
This back and forth would benefit from outside adjudicators as to the claims leveled against one another rather than you two just slugging it out which is just ending up in the same claims being volleyed from one side to the other again and again. — unimportant
I would agree boethius that it is glaringly obvious you have answered the questions many times so find it bizarre it is claimed you haven't. — unimportant
If you would suffer nothing, if it was "nothing" to you, as you claim, then you'd just do it to show that. — boethius
This was already answered.
Is there any actual evidence that any children have suffered because of what you explained?
— Sir2u
First of all, compromising people's data is itself harmful, which then, in itself, causes the suffering of needing to worry about how one's data could be used for ill, once one is made aware of the data breach (as required under the GDPR). If you knew your ID and medical history was stolen that would cause suffering even if the data theft is never exploited to commit further crimes against you. — boethius
Then I answer the same question several more times. — boethius
Pretty obvious to me Boethius is the disingenuine (and likely mentally ill imo) one here. How could a question so simple be impossible to answer? Instead, evasive, obtuse and…of a weasel like nature.
So much for outside arbitration. — DingoJones
↪boethius You could answer the question, please good sir, instead of prevaricating.
In the scenario i just gave you, what have i suffered, without something more? It's nothing, isn't it? — AmadeusD
I have asked specifically, in the scenario I gave (with no further elements involved), what I suffer by him receiving my information. This hasn't been answered. What happened was boethius then did two things: — AmadeusD
I've asked what suffering. You've not answered.
You receive information from my personal email account (clandestine, we assume). What have I suffered ? I shall short-cut this.
I haven't. Something more is required. Most Western Law even requires harm or damage to be established before a conviction or punishment will be metered out. — AmadeusD
1. Lied and said I claimed it "was nothing" that they have my information. I clearly, objectively did not say this. To claim I did is a literal lie. This is, i'm afraid, not debatable. The words are there to be read, and i did not say the ones he claims i did. q.e.d.; — AmadeusD
↪boethius You could answer the question, please good sir, instead of prevaricating.
In the scenario i just gave you, what have i suffered, without something more? It's nothing, isn't it? — AmadeusD
2. Snuck in the "and you know about it" element. This is, quite obviously, what I had been pushing toward as a flaw in his initial statement. It took about six exchanges, and him sneaking that factor in, as if it were present in the initial claim, to get us anywhere. So, I pulled him back to my initial scenario. Since then he's been extremely immature and unbecoming for a philosophy forum. q.e.d. — AmadeusD
Is there any actual evidence that any children have suffered because of what you explained?
— Sir2u
First of all, compromising people's data is itself harmful, which then, in itself, causes the suffering of needing to worry about how one's data could be used for ill, once one is made aware of the data breach (as required under the GDPR). If you knew your ID and medical history was stolen that would cause suffering even if the data theft is never exploited to commit further crimes against you. — boethius
Yep, that was the non-answer I got. — Sir2u
Although I have found Boethius very entertaining, and previously informative, when they are posting, I too am veering to your own appraisal which I have come to think due to their very erratic posting habits. There will be a large flourish of frantic posting then radio silence for weeks. — unimportant
Pretty obvious to me Boethius is the disingenuine (and likely mentally ill imo) one here. How could a question so simple be impossible to answer? Instead, evasive, obtuse and…of a weasel like nature.
So much for outside arbitration. — DingoJones
What you got, as seen above, is exactly the answer to the question. — boethius
Is there any actual evidence that any children have suffered because of what you explained? — sir2u
It is a low investment in time for people to report this information, and it is a low investment in time for any honest investigator to do some basic checks. — boethius
So you have done the checking, how many reports have you made and to whom have you done so? Being as there are so many possibilities to report this to so many different agencies and organizations I imagine that there has been a lot of work for you. — Sir2u
I did not ask about possible future or imaginary consequences, it says quite clearly in the question I asked "actual evidence" of suffering. — Sir2u
Is there any actual evidence that any children have suffered because of what you explained? — Sir2u
First of all, compromising people's data is itself harmful, which then, in itself, causes the suffering of needing to worry about how one's data could be used for ill, once one is made aware of the data breach (as required under the GDPR). If you knew your ID and medical history was stolen that would cause suffering even if the data theft is never exploited to commit further crimes against you. — boethius
Further crimes against children by the network involving the above company have also been committed; however, I can't as easily report on confidential information of ongoing investigations and / or court cases. — boethius
If you could post a list of the places that you have informed already, maybe some of us could repeat the information to them so that they would have to pay attention. Email addresses or whatever form of communication would be necessary for us to send to the same places. — Sir2u
To which I answered:
First of all, compromising people's data is itself harmful, which then, in itself, causes the suffering of needing to worry about how one's data could be used for ill, once one is made aware of the data breach (as required under the GDPR). If you knew your ID and medical history was stolen that would cause suffering even if the data theft is never exploited to commit further crimes against you. — boethius — boethius
Therefore, there is no reason to list every place I've already reported to, and making such a list public could potentially help perpetrators. No one should worry that they reported something that has already been reported. — boethius
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