How do we decide what should be legal and what should be illegal? — Truth Seeker
So the foundation of most moral systems seems to be preventing harm and promoting wellbeing — Tom Storm
Why isn't veganism legally mandatory in all countries? — Truth Seeker
You’re understanding my point back to front. Across ethical systems, a common theme is the prevention of harm. This does not imply that every possible instance of harm is recognized or codified into the moral principles of a culture. Ethical systems are selective, shaped by historical, social, and practical considerations. Some harms may go unnoticed or be considered acceptable in certain contexts, while others are amplified as morally significant. — Tom Storm
Our disagreements over good and bad tend to be matters of priority - Is it better to let the robber take your stuff or kill them? We agree that best is to not have your stuff taken and not kill anyone, but... — unenlightened
I believe that if one is to believe that there is an objective morality, the one thing we can consider is that existence vs non-existence is good. — Philosophim
Veganism prevents harm and promotes the well-being of trillions of sentient organisms. Yet, more than 99% of the humans currently alive (8.24 billion) are not yet vegan. Non-vegans kill 80 billion land organisms and 1 to 3 trillion aquatic organisms per year. Why isn't veganism legally mandatory in all countries? — Truth Seeker
That's why non-vegans murder sentient organisms and think they are doing the right thing, even though there are vegan options that avoid the deliberate exploitation and murder of sentient organisms. — Truth Seeker
How can you know whether morality is objective or subjective? We know things from subjective sensory perceptions, e.g. I see these words on my computer screen. — Truth Seeker
If plants are conscious does veganism lose some of it's moralistic appeal? — RogueAI
But they don't taste as good. I had an impossible burger once. Never again. But, I would pay twice as much at the store for lab grown meat. — RogueAI
Fight! — unenlightened
The proof does not prove that there is an objective morality, but it does show that IF morality is objective, the tenet of existence is good vs non-existence must be held as a foundational premise. — Philosophim
I understand what you mean. I have been a vegan for 19 years. I do miss the taste of non-vegan food, but I prefer being a vegan because it saves and improves sentient nonhuman lives. — Truth Seeker
Even outside of veganism, people could demand an end to the more odious forms of factory farming. Future generations are going to judge us harshly on this. — RogueAI
Yes (see below).Is there any way to know for sure what is right and what is wrong? — Truth Seeker
Legality (institutional) =/= morality (interpersonal).Different countries have different laws.
Probably for the same reason carnivorism isn't "legal mandatory in all countries".Why isn't veganism legally mandatory in all countries? — Truth Seeker
Well I agree, more or less, with Thomas Ligotti (Cioran, Buddha et al): "nonexistence never hurt anyone and existence hurts everyone."[T]he one thing we can consider is that existence vs non-existence is good. — Philosophim
Consider this post from a thread An inquiry into moral facts (2021) ...How can you know whether morality is objective or subjective? — Truth Seeker
You know what is bad by understanding what is injurious to you. You know what is good by understanding what revitalises you. — DifferentiatingEgg
nonexistence never hurt anyone and existence hurts everyone. — 180 Proof
:up: :up:If you're culture thought the Earth was flat , you probably did too. But surely this doesn't give us grounds to believe that there is "no fact of the matter," or that the shape of the Earth varies depending on which cultural context you are currently in. — Count Timothy von Icarus
Is right and wrong just a matter of thinking something is right (e.g. it is right to save and improve lives) and something is wrong (e.g. theft, fraud, rape, robbery, enslaving, torture and murder are wrong)? Is there any way to know for sure what is right and what is wrong? Different countries have different laws. Even the same country has different laws at different times. How do we decide what should be legal and what should be illegal? — Truth Seeker
Veganism prevents harm and promotes the well-being of trillions of sentient organisms. Yet, more than 99% of the humans currently alive (8.24 billion) are not yet vegan. Non-vegans kill 80 billion land organisms and 1 to 3 trillion aquatic organisms per year. Why isn't veganism legally mandatory in all countries? — Truth Seeker
How do we decide what should be legal and what should be illegal? — Truth Seeker
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