It seems to imply that an individual is an independent being. Nothing could be further from the truth. — praxis
I think that is an example of poor emotional intelligence. — Athena
We have been running on the belief that true science is amoral and has nothing to do with our feelings. AmadeusD is a man of his time. — Athena
Your underhanded attempts to insult are keenly noted, Athena. Ironic to the nth. Particularly when you do not have the gall to actually tag me or address me directly - addressing a third party with your thoughts about one is a sure-fire sign you are not emotionally intelligent. — AmadeusD
The offense exists solely, and inarguably, in your reaction. — AmadeusD
Quite often, social media users will be caused to be offended by something which was not aimed at them, isn't reasonably readable that way, and ultimately has nothing to do with them. It caused their offense, but the offense wasn't in any way attached to the cause. — AmadeusD
You can simply intend that the person becomes offended - given this routinely fails, it is obvious that there is no offense in the utterance. — AmadeusD
This is a normative recommendation. Your saying it ought to be the case that we treat offense as if it is solely the responsibility of the receiver. — Nils Loc
We'd have better control over ourselves if we could pause and not reciprocate the bait of an insult, whatever the intention behind it, and escalate a loss of self control in ourselves. — Nils Loc
Oh but they do hurt, since we are not so disciplined to be be immune to the effect they might otherwise have on us. — Nils Loc
Try to explain to your mom that she is totally responsible for her reaction when you call her an "ugly bitch". No one knows if you meant to be offensive. You gave no offense (because you can't). She took offense. It was an empirical test, which yielded some data. Now you just need to train your mom to accept that she carries the responsibility for her reactions every time you insult her. — Nils Loc
But it also routinely succeeds. You suggest that all the victims of verbal abuse choose to be victims of verbal abuse. — Nils Loc
It sounds incredibly callous — Nils Loc
Classic hasty generalization fallacy. — praxis
Offense does not exist in a word, or a phrase, or in saying something. It exists, solely, in the mind of hte offended person. It's not been 'taken in' from without. That's the claim, and I would appreciate treating it as such. — AmadeusD
To someone who cannot control their emotions, of course it would. If you feel you're being asked to do something impossible, it will sound both callous and irrational. But I have empirical evidence that this is not so... People do this all the time. — AmadeusD
Modern conditions are objectively better than essentially any previous period in history other than perhaps the late 90s. — AmadeusD
Is this right? — Nils Loc
but who is going to help them do that? — Nils Loc
Does a moral obligation spring from your argument/philosophy to help others to help themselves, if there is any normative prescription that passes from it. — Nils Loc
That said, roughly speaking, yes. That's right. — AmadeusD
“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” — Frank Herbert, Dune
At some stage, we need to stop throwing money and accommodations at those people, I think. — AmadeusD
does it deserve to lose its young when the wind blows? — Nils Loc
who helped you to help yourself in this way? — Nils Loc
Why aren't you a meth addict now, half dead in gutter — Nils Loc
Fear is the slave driver of human kind, it has great utility as motivation, but if it's excessive and unreasonable one can easily be destroyed by it, or rendered stupid. — Nils Loc
The best way is to not be offended. You do that by realizing you're talking to a bunch of anonymous people who, if you learned their names, would be total strangers. It's easy to be hurt by people we care for. Feelings of betrayal. Feelings of loss. They might have even used something personal to hurt you.When we are offended, what is the best way to handle this. — Athena
Yup. Also low self-esteem, since I can't resist quoting Northern Exposure. :grin:Fear is the slave driver of human kind, it has great utility as motivation, but if it's excessive and unreasonable one can easily be destroyed by it, or rendered stupid.
— Nils Loc
Absolutely agree with this. — AmadeusD
One thing that might help take your ego out of the pictures is to pay attention to how someone who treats you badly treats everyone else. They treat everyone badly. It's who they are. It's not Abbott you. You just happen to be the person standing in front of them at the moment. They don't know you or care to. That being the case, why would you devote your time and thoughts to them? When you do that, they win. They successfully manipulated a random stranger into feeling negative things. Possibly ruining your day. And they did it with your full cooperation. — Patterner
Yup. Also low self-esteem, since I can't resist quoting Northern Exposure. :grin:
Low self esteem is the root cause of practically all the pain and misery in the world. It's what drives war, and torture, and genocide. It's what evil is. Do you think Hitler liked himself? Or Cortez? We hate others because we hate ourselves.
-Leonard — Patterner
I've never studied anyrhing relevant, but it seems to me it's possible that it was always there, but nobody thought to name it?self-esteem is a pretty modern concept. I don't think it would have applied to Cortez, and doubt that it did for Hitler. — Jeremy Murray
Yes. But I don't see that as a bad thing. I mean, he's the wisest one on the show. A lot of them are wise. It might not be as obvious with Shelly, because she was usually taking about her nipples or butt when making her point. But she knew what she was talking about.I also found Leonard to be a bit of a 'magical native' trope. — Jeremy Murray
Yes, brilliant!I will always remember watching the episode 'Cicely' as a teen. That changed my concept of storytelling forever. — Jeremy Murray
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