• flannel jesus
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    That seems not to be quite right to me. It seems reasonable to say "I do prefer not to have existed.", but to claim that in case one had not existed one would have preferred it, is a step too far. That my existence is unhappy, does not entail that my non-existence is happy.unenlightened

    I think you're reading too much into it lol. "I'd prefer" is just a colloquial phrase.

    But as T Clark points out, one's own happiness and preference is unimportant; it's other people's happiness that makes a wonderful lifeunenlightened

    Nobody would be missing much in my absence, and my life isn't wonderful.
  • an-salad
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    I am a unique and special little snowflake in every way
  • unenlightened
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    I think you're reading too much into it lol.flannel jesus

    I wouldn't be doing that if I hadn't existed - so think yourself lucky. :wink:
  • Paine
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    I want to take a different approach from my previous expression of skepticism regarding measures of personal significance.

    I like 's weighing the benefits against the disappointments possibly caused by presence or absence. Some of those elements are sharply drawn by regret or pleasure. A huge amount is made ambiguous by the paths not taken. Some of that must have been wise to some extent. Some of that must surely have been a loss of benefit for each or all involved. I think it is why Aristotle said luck could not be a cause; But also why he was wrong about that.

    It seems like the speculation and fiction that most vividly describe the isolation of an individual build an enormous world in which to become isolated within.

    Maybe Dostoyevsky is the exemplar for this sort of thing because so many of his "nihilists" are so damn gregarious.
  • Hanover
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    It's a wonderful life..
  • Tom Storm
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    It's a wonderful life..Hanover

    I was wondering how long it would take. Hence my somewhat cuntish comment near the start of all this...

    One of my pet hates is the mawkish It’s a Wonderful Life school of personal significance, which fits neatly with our culture’s romantic obsession with individualism and the putative power of the lone actor to shape and improve the world for those around them.Tom Storm
  • Jack Cummins
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    The culture of individualism gave rise to an inflated sense of the worth of the self, even grandiosity. It came with an emphasis on personal expectations, demands an individual rights. This was accompanied by a philosophy of being able to master and create personal identity through autonomy.

    However, in the twentieth first century the culture of individualism is receding into awareness, especially through the media, of mass culture. In many ways, this gives rise to a sense of personal insignificance for many, especially those lacking in power. Certain individuals are treated as mere numbers, and the vulnerable are often regarded as a 'nuisance' and burden unlike in traditional society, in which there was a spirit of community.
  • Hanover
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    The culture of individualism gave rise to an inflated sense of the worth of the self, even grandiosity.Jack Cummins
    A high sense of self worth does not equate to feelings of grandiosity. It's a Wonderful Life did not portray George Bailey as someone who thought highly of himself or someone who felt entitled to more than others. Mr. Potter portrayed the Grinch like character, concerned only with money and power. You might decipher anti-capitalistic or anti-consumerist themes in the movie (as well as in A Christmas Carol), but that doesn't equate to an acceptance that human life is of less than infinite value. I'd argue that it shows just the opposite - that the quantification of life's value to dollar and cents is what is truly dehumanizing precisely because it reduces the worth of the self to numbers..
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